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UK NPAS - The Decline

Old 16th Sep 2015, 20:42
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They need names for two drones?

How about:

"Silkpurse" and "Sowsear" ?

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Old 22nd Sep 2015, 14:30
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Old 22nd Sep 2015, 16:18
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“We have been successful in securing Home Office capital funding to make NPAS a 24/7 all weather capable fleet and this is a real step change for NPAS. This is an investment in the future of policing across England and Wales.

“While helicopters are very flexible there are conditions which they are sometimes unable to fly, such as heavy fog, if visibility is too badly affected.
Does anyone know what the min RVR a Vulcanair P68R can take off or land in?

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Old 22nd Sep 2015, 18:35
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Never thought fog was particularly heavy, thick perhaps(like some at NPAS it seems), but not heavy.
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Never thought fog was particularly heavy, thick perhaps(like some at NPAS it seems), but not heavy
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Old 22nd Sep 2015, 22:18
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Never thought fog was particularly heavy,
Ever tried lifting it?
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 12:17
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TC,

NPAS 47 will still be based in S. Wales.

Police air support in the UK is set to become 24/7 all weather capable for the first time with the introduction of fixed wing aircraft into the service’s fleet.

The National Police Air Service has now awarded a contract for four fixed wing aircraft to be based in a purpose built facility, serving the whole of England and Wales.

The four Vulcanair P.68R airframes will have a 24/7 all-weather flight capability following significant upgrades to the airframe.
It seems very clear from the press release above that the FW aircraft will be all weather 24/7. Should it turn out not to be the case then surely the West Yorkshire P&CC and NPAS Accountable Officer will need to explain to the public why their money has been wasted?

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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 19:03
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No, but I've blown it away without much trouble.

NONE for the whole of Wales?
The Hawarden aircraft will cover Wales. Well the northern part at least, backed up by the one at Barton. If it can get a refuel somewhere.
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Old 26th Sep 2015, 16:07
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Nowt wrong with a seagull with a Go Pro strapped to its' leg. All weather capability and no one is too upset if it crashes.
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 09:01
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Will the PCC still be in power by end of the contract?

There is a story on the web this morning suggesting that he will be bidding for PCC next time around...

Whether he has the right to say 'no deal' is probably the question though. It seems that all parties have to toe the line on police aviation and go NPAS.
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 09:51
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Mr Grove is now the only police and crime commissioner in the country to have not signed his force's helicopter over to the national service.
Good for him.
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 16:56
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I love the last paragraph that states that NPAS has no legal identity and that all assets are owned and controlled by West Yorkshire. Now that is interesting...
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 10:28
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NPAS Annual Report

I seem to recall its not due until after the birthdate of NPAS.... so October.

I am sure it was October last year so I think we might expect it to be next week to coincide with the NPAS launch of the revamped EC135T2 G-SURY/G-POLB at Helitech.

Giving everyone added value at the show.

Who knows it may be the only added value on offer if the Helitech thread is to be believed.
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 21:30
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Interesting. Last year's report included the Revenue and Capital contributions from each Force. This year's doesn't.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 09:41
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This years report is significantly different in structure than last years, and thinner, a lot less detail. You can't really compare year on year performance if this report writing strategy continues.....also what is interesting is the absence of good work done at the coal face.....
As the overall budget reduces is the management proportion also going to reduce or are we going to have police aviation like the navy, more admirals than ships.....
Meanwhile Forces are procuring UAS's and are generally dissatisfied with the level of service vs investment......
I think NPAS will soon be put out to tender.....maybe tagged onto the SAR contract.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 14:42
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 16:10
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Mighty Gem wrote:

Interesting. Last year's report included the Revenue and Capital contributions from each Force. This year's doesn't.
That'll no doubt be a result of the information being used on here.
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Asking the Forces that had joined NPAS for the FY 2013/14, FOI requests have given me the following information:

Total paid for Air Support said Forces for the full FY prior to them joining NPAS: £36,087,787
Total Revenue Contributions for FY 2013/14: £27,778,351
Total Revenue Contributions for FY 2014/15: £32,657,594

On top of that are various Capital Payments, in addition to the Revenue Payments, which for 2013/14 were some £9,000,000. These are deducted from Forces annual Home Office grant.

I asked the same Forces how much the were paying for the current FY. Eight Forces failed to reply or didn't know, but of those who did reply, the vast majority said that they were paying the same as last year.

So, not sure where all these savings are occurring, but it doesn't seem to be at individual Force level.

It will be interesting to see what they pay next year when there are on 15 aircraft left.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 16:55
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Dave, you really do have too much time on yer hands.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 18:35
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It seems to me that decades of hard work by hundreds of dedicated Police aviation personal has been or is being kicked into touch by the pathetic bean counters that the majority of those personal probably elected into office for a second term.
It's all very sad.
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