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Old 8th Jul 2015, 17:59
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... and seems to be working well.
Really ? Working well for who exactly ?

NPAS Management probably think it's working well, if they aren't receiving any reports of Saftey issues
that need to be addressed, as that means everything is just fine - doesn't it ?

Or does it mean that reports are simply not being submitted any more, (and Safety issues are therefore not being highlighted )
as such reports could appear to be criticising NPAS, and after the Gypsies warnings that are rumoured to have gone around,
the culture change is such that Staff don't want to risk falling foul of the SMT - when the next round of job cuts comes along ?

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Old 8th Jul 2015, 19:58
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Nail, it's working - over 360 reports so far this year.
Staff will use it if they have confidence in it.
If it just becomes another stick to batter the staff with then they won't.
For now it's an improvement over what was there before.
Whilst it's far from perfect, not everything post NPAS is bad.
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Old 8th Jul 2015, 21:38
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Thanks Fortyodd2,

It's good to hear that someone has confidence in it

A bit like some other statistics that get reported though,
didn't they commence the numbering of reports this year
with Number 100 or 101 ? ( Why would they do that ? ).

... so if the latest report is numbered 360 ( ish ),
that would be over 260, not 360 so far this year ?
( Approx 1.3 reports per day ).

Do you know if the number of reports being submitted
HAS reduced significantly since the NPAS "warnings"

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Old 8th Jul 2015, 23:01
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Not everything we do in the police is for public consumption Nail, some of it is even secret!
If your that desperate for your NPAS fix then why not apply for a job and you could see first hand how hard everyone is working and what a good job we do.
You would even get the opportunity to discuss your concerns with the SMT and pass on your wisdom.
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T F O ( Awww - bless! ),

You made a few assumptions there, like I don't KNOW what the range of Operations conducted by NPAS include - whether "Secret" or not,
and whether I have any first hand knowledge of how hard ( some ) NPAS employees ( i.e. the ones at the Sharp end ) are working during each and every shift.

It's my experience ( and perception ) - shared by many, that "Wisdom" is not always welcomed
when it's travelling up the chain of command - especially when those at the top
THINK they know better, and will NOT be told otherwise.

You may think that I am "Anti-NPAS", and that's not actually correct either.

I want NPAS to succeed, but I don't see many signs of this,
and very few reports ( at least in here ) of how it IS working more effectively and cost efficiently, than during pre NPAS days,
despite several previous Posts from Forum Members asking for examples.

To the Contrary there seem to be plenty of examples of how NPAS is NOT working to those original Aims,
and many of those don't get brought out into the Public domain either.

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Old 9th Jul 2015, 08:45
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It's takes little effort to be negative.
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Nial take a chill pill FFS
 
Old 9th Jul 2015, 22:03
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Nail uses some familiar syntax that a regular poster used here before the memo went round?

Could it be another ex Wallop NCO?
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"Syntax" ? ? ! !

No -I'm not that other person you're thinkimg about,
just someone else that is / was passionate about the Service that used to be provided,
who remains concerned about its dessimation, and is still prepared and able -
unlike those that are not, or cannot, speak out.

Who else is questioning what is going on ?

Sniggle ? - not you obviously - you're way to chilled out
to see the Redundancy Notices flyging around in the next cuts.

Guess what happens when no-one questions ? - There are no answers.

It's easy to be Negative when there are lots of things going wrong.
It's not so easy to be positive when there's little to be positive about.

Out.

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Nial,
decimate /desˈi-māt/
transitive verb
To take or destroy the tenth part of
To punish by killing every tenth man
(loosely) to reduce very heavily
ORIGIN: L decimāre, -ātum, from decimus tenth, from decem ten
decimāˈtion noun
decˈimātor noun
In addition to adressing your poor spelling you could also improve on your use of parentheses, punctuation and capitalisation which would help make you appear less of a histrionic teenager.

Or just take a chill pill FFS.
 
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Nail maybe people are questioning things but doing it in the correct manner and not via a pointless Internet forum.
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 22:21
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Nail

Can I just make a few suggestions here.

Police Air Ops pilots are hired hands to chauffeur the cops.

Its the same as driving the oilys out to the rigs or the rich folks to the races.

You are paid to fly the helicopter which is an airborne taxi or bus.

You can dress up as much as you want with white shirts or bonedomes but the bottom line is you are being paid to drive the machine not manage the organisation.

The same goes for flight crew at Ryanair.

If you want to run the NPAS or have input then you are in the wrong game.

Silsoe Sid spent the last few years here moaning about a job that it appears he was not happy with. I understand his absence is because of a some serious words of advice that a few of the NPAS pilots and crew have had from above regarding chat on forums.

Tube train drivers are on about the same money but have a bit more collective clout if you pardon the pun. No one cares if police pilots went on strike and there are many out there happy to take what is a cushy number for good pay to fly a nice helicopter.

If you don't like the job move somewhere else. (or buy your own helicopter)

And if you really want to see what real hard work in difficult conditions for a lot less pay but more job satisfaction is like look here. http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/483...nepal-152.html
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Snoggle,

I do apologise most humbly - You see I AM a "Historic Teenager" and I have been
ever since I achieved the age of 20 - which was quite a while ago

I must concede though, that you ARE quite right !
It's NOT a tenth ( of UK Police Air Support ) that has been destroyed -
it's a LOT MORE than that - Thanks for pointing it out to everyone !

( As you seem to have plenty of time on your hands for such -
and don't appear to have anything to contribute to the Topic being discussed,
other than childishly criticising Grammer, Punctuation and Spelling,
would you be so kind as to advise if the phrase "You Pompous [email protected]"
would be grammatically correct, if one were to use it ? )

Before signing off, possibly for a while if I have nothing else to add,
I'd like to say "Thanks" to several Forum Members that have provided information to me -
straight from the Horses mouth, sorry horses, no ... horse', oh stuff it,
from within NPAS, confirming some of the rumours I had heard and have mentioned,
and several others that I can't or won't repeat in Public.

Perhaps those that CAN still be bothered, and / or are still able to post here, ( like T F O ),
do have a point, and that this Subject is now quite Pointless,
as whatever is said here is unlikely to have any impact on the service.

But does that mean I / We / You just leave it, and not discuss it again,
and not raise questions that really do need to be raised,
in case somone gets a bit upset when nerves are touched ? ...... Naaah ! .....

( Like the Nerves that were touched when that "NPAS Hitler Video" was publicised )

I have it on very good authority that at a fairly recent Conference it was mentioned
that "Heads would roll" if another NPAS Hitler video appeared in Public.

I haven't ( yet ) seen "another" Hitler video,
so will just have to make do with the original,
until the next one hits the shelves

Here it is again in case you missed it the first time around



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Old 10th Jul 2015, 22:33
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You need to check the chip detector.....

on your shoulder

Sounds like you are another NCO Wallop brat

Frankly the NPAS do not need pilots who have issues and maybe a clean broom is needed.
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Could it be another ex Wallop NCO?
And what if it is?
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 22:46
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Romeopapa, what is wrong with Wallop? Sounds like the chip is firmly on your shoulder (s) and for what its worth I
would imagine 60-70% of Police Pilots are ex Wallop?
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Of or relating to the stage or actors
Stagy, theatrical
Affected
Melodramatic
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It just appears they have inferiority complex issues as displayed by Silsoe.

Nice job and nice pay but he was never happy hence his rants on here.

Just spool back through all his posts and explain why he moaned so much?

Had he been through Dartmouth or Cranwell he would have discovered the officer training is all about taking care of those beneath you and never ever complaining about those above.

You can learn a lot about pilots and peope by looking at what a real hard flying job for a lot less pay is like by a humble wonderfull example to us all.

http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/483...nepal-152.html
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RP I genuinely have a lot of time for your input, but, this NCO thing is a bit weird (why Wallop specifically?), I've met many NCO's both good and bad, but that goes for commissioned officers as well.....as for Nepal....happy to admit to being a wuss!!!
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Some of you are just SO funny, and way off the mark !

Snuggle - I think you've lost the Plot - is this going to be renamed the "NPAS Thesaurus" Topic ! ?

Just to put the record straight, I checked back, and have never stated that I am an NPAS pilot,
so that is pure guesswork and conjecture on your part(s) and all those comments,
inferences and attempted insults have been a waste of time

I have NO chips to worry about, or indeed anything else I may choose to wear on my shoulders.

RP - while you've got your Broom out,
how about giving your own closet a sweep and getting rid of all your 'Ye Olde Pilot' hang-ups ?
IIRC your two lads went through Cranwell and Dartmouth didn't they,
but failed to reach Flight Training ?

Maybe that explains a lot of YOUR attitude, and outlook on life,
but it is hardly relevant to the subject of "The demise of NPAS".

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