UK NPAS discussion thread: Mk 5
Yup, That's about it. Funny how history has a habit of repeating itself!
Bit like Governments who in the face of evidence to the contrary, decide that its safe to reduce spending on defense and security!
TF
Bit like Governments who in the face of evidence to the contrary, decide that its safe to reduce spending on defense and security!
TF
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Reminds me of Duncan Sandy's, Secretary of State for Defense, who said in the early 60's that the RAF would no longer require pilots as all aerial warfare would in future be conducted using rockets!
Yeah, of course it would!
TF
Yeah, of course it would!
TF
TF, can you tell me when the last air to air scrap was decided by use of the big bullet switch please
SS. not with you.
All I have said, Is that in my humble opinion, now might not be the best time for any Govt to be cutting on defense, - either internal or external. Just what that defense might be is a matter for others.
I accept that some time ago I did mention Duncan Sandy's quite often mentioned gaffe, when as Secretary of State he predicted the RAF would no longer need pilots, but that was at least 50 years ago and is not being said today. Is it? Or do you know something else?
TF
All I have said, Is that in my humble opinion, now might not be the best time for any Govt to be cutting on defense, - either internal or external. Just what that defense might be is a matter for others.
I accept that some time ago I did mention Duncan Sandy's quite often mentioned gaffe, when as Secretary of State he predicted the RAF would no longer need pilots, but that was at least 50 years ago and is not being said today. Is it? Or do you know something else?
TF
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I accept that some time ago I did mention Duncan Sandy's quite often mentioned gaffe, when as Secretary of State he predicted the RAF would no longer need pilots,
Was it really such a gaffe considering the modern day increase of drones on the battlefield, or just a bad example to bring up?
All rockets are fire and forget as they don't have terminal guidance, once fired you may as well forget it as you can do nothing to alter its trajectory, the only difference between a rocket and a bullet is that a bullet is a free flight projectile whereas a rocket is powered all the way to the target. A missile ironically is not a missile but a hittile as it has terminal guidance, either externally by the operator or internally by some form of automatic guidance. It is now that someone brings up that well known lecture that points out that a missile only knows where it is because it knows where it isn't. Armed with this information it tries to move to where it should be therefore knowing where it was and where it is now going and where it doesn't want to be. Next, it now knows where..........
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A missile ironically is not a missile but a hittile as it has terminal guidance, either externally by the operator or internally by some form of automatic guidance. I
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All rockets are fire and forget as they don't have terminal guidance, once fired you may as well forget it as you can do nothing to alter its trajectory, the only difference between a rocket and a bullet is that a bullet is a free flight projectile whereas a rocket is powered all the way to the target.
Didn't SNEB rockets burn out before impact?
Didn't MLRS burn out after the 6 seconds thrust phase, then was in free flight trajectory until impact?
A missile ironically is not a missile but a hittile as it has terminal guidance, either externally by the operator or internally by some form of automatic guidance.
Moving on.......
It was better, SS11 was Manual Command Line of Sight (MCLOS) effectively requiring the operator to keep the sight on the target with one hand (the left in this case) including switching to high magnification when the missile came into the inner field of view whilst at the same time flying the missile to the target with right hand. TOW was Semi-Automatic Command Line of Sight (SACLOS) that required the operator to simply keep the cross-hairs on the target with the right hand, the missile flew to wherever the crosshairs were. It wasn't without problems and rogues were always an issue but the declared PH of 95% was fairly accurate, certainly my stats support this.
Now, moving on again.....(but to be fair on all of you, I did start it!)
Now, moving on again.....(but to be fair on all of you, I did start it!)
But the classic TOW miss was when the crosshairs obscured the target and the operator briefly lifted them out of the way to confirm the target position and the missile skipped over the top
Perhaps it was just the training rounds that had such an awful failure/rogue/misfire rate - I had 8 failures on a 15 missile shoot!
Perhaps it was just the training rounds that had such an awful failure/rogue/misfire rate - I had 8 failures on a 15 missile shoot!
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Bringing the thread back on line, this is a rumour network after all, all this talk of missiles links on nicely to Coventry Airport whose museum has a Blue Steel missile in its front yard; any rumours involving Cov going around?
CV-22 assisting Suffolk Constabulary
Perhaps someday have a police AW609 
lol
In all seriousness right now there is one of the Mildenhall's finest assisting the local constabularly in locating a missing person according to a post on the Fighter Control FB page, Knife 56
Hopefully a positive outcome,
Cheers
lolIn all seriousness right now there is one of the Mildenhall's finest assisting the local constabularly in locating a missing person according to a post on the Fighter Control FB page, Knife 56
Hopefully a positive outcome,
Cheers
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Further Cuts
Interesting to hear Ch.Supt. John Sutherland, on this mornings Victoria Derbyshire programme saying;
"There are some other things that we are going to have to look into whether we continue to do them at all, lost property and a number of things that we do that don't feature in the crime figures, missing person searches, dealing with mental health cases, everything can't be a priority."
NPAS Priority 1 Tasking is ....... ?
However, he subsequently said, "If somebody calls for help we will come, that's the nature of policing", to which Victoria replied, "You're the kind of officer Theresa May is going to absolutely love, because it doesn't matter what cuts are imposed, you're still going to do that job".
Oh well, back to the 4am 'no phone pinging authorised' searches in the wrong area !
"There are some other things that we are going to have to look into whether we continue to do them at all, lost property and a number of things that we do that don't feature in the crime figures, missing person searches, dealing with mental health cases, everything can't be a priority."
NPAS Priority 1 Tasking is ....... ?
However, he subsequently said, "If somebody calls for help we will come, that's the nature of policing", to which Victoria replied, "You're the kind of officer Theresa May is going to absolutely love, because it doesn't matter what cuts are imposed, you're still going to do that job".
Oh well, back to the 4am 'no phone pinging authorised' searches in the wrong area !
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Almondsbury helicopter base plan sparks noise objections - BBC News
Dozens of objections have been made about plans for a new helicopter base for the Great Western Air Ambulance and National Police Air Service (NPAS).
The proposals for land near the M4/M5 interchange near Bristol include a hangar, car park, Met Office weather station and new access to the A38.
Many of the 97 letters said increased noise levels would detrimentally affect nearby Almondsbury village.
The helicopters' current home at Filton Airfield is due to be redeveloped.
'Life and death'
Objectors also say the proposed development would be inappropriate as it is within the green belt. And they suggest helicopters taking off and landing close to the Almondsbury Interchange would be dangerously distracting for motorway drivers.
John Christensen, chief executive of the Great Western Air Ambulance, said if a more appropriate site had been available "then of course we would have gone for it - the truth is that this is the only site available that meets our needs".
Mr Christensen said if the service had to move further away from Bristol this would mean longer response times in "a scenario where every minute can make the difference between life and death".
Ch Supt Ian Whitehouse, of the NPAS, said that under the plans the helicopters would be locally based, where they could "play an essential role in the delivery of policing and responding to critically ill people".
The NPAS was launched in October 2012 to co-ordinate the deployment of police helicopters, which were then operated by individual forces from 30 bases.
It serves forces across England and Wales, including British Transport Police.
No date has yet been set for South Gloucestershire Council to discuss the application.
The proposals for land near the M4/M5 interchange near Bristol include a hangar, car park, Met Office weather station and new access to the A38.
Many of the 97 letters said increased noise levels would detrimentally affect nearby Almondsbury village.
The helicopters' current home at Filton Airfield is due to be redeveloped.
'Life and death'
Objectors also say the proposed development would be inappropriate as it is within the green belt. And they suggest helicopters taking off and landing close to the Almondsbury Interchange would be dangerously distracting for motorway drivers.
John Christensen, chief executive of the Great Western Air Ambulance, said if a more appropriate site had been available "then of course we would have gone for it - the truth is that this is the only site available that meets our needs".
Mr Christensen said if the service had to move further away from Bristol this would mean longer response times in "a scenario where every minute can make the difference between life and death".
Ch Supt Ian Whitehouse, of the NPAS, said that under the plans the helicopters would be locally based, where they could "play an essential role in the delivery of policing and responding to critically ill people".
The NPAS was launched in October 2012 to co-ordinate the deployment of police helicopters, which were then operated by individual forces from 30 bases.
It serves forces across England and Wales, including British Transport Police.
No date has yet been set for South Gloucestershire Council to discuss the application.
