UK NPAS discussion thread: Mk 5
That comment about Ripley being replaced by a new base a few miles south might be pertinent if as stated they are having two units co-located.
NPAS say they are having two different units at the same airport...... so if they are different it would seem a waste of money dumping Ripley.
However if this 15 base model 'sounds' better than simply saying 14 there may be some perverse sense in it I suppose. It may be they are to be two in name only because their remit it different.
There may well be hidden agenda reasons why the base at Ripley is to be abandoned. Ripley was purpose built and was located at the Police HQ rather than at a best site ..... and I recall that fog is/was a problem there [it certainly was on the day they opened the place!].
Perhaps there is an overall desire to distance NPAS bases from the ties and potential interference of being on police premises?
Carr Gate/Wakefield may be different in that it is a West Yorkshire controlled place. Maybe dumping Lippitts is not about cost?
NPAS say they are having two different units at the same airport...... so if they are different it would seem a waste of money dumping Ripley.
However if this 15 base model 'sounds' better than simply saying 14 there may be some perverse sense in it I suppose. It may be they are to be two in name only because their remit it different.
There may well be hidden agenda reasons why the base at Ripley is to be abandoned. Ripley was purpose built and was located at the Police HQ rather than at a best site ..... and I recall that fog is/was a problem there [it certainly was on the day they opened the place!].
Perhaps there is an overall desire to distance NPAS bases from the ties and potential interference of being on police premises?
Carr Gate/Wakefield may be different in that it is a West Yorkshire controlled place. Maybe dumping Lippitts is not about cost?
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"At the moment, apart from the dispatch & flight monitoring centre staff, the post of every single person working for NPAS is under threat, regardless of whether their base is staying open, closing or relocating."
The smell of bovine excrement is overwhelming.
"At the moment, apart from the dispatch & flight monitoring centre staff, the post of every single person working for NPAS is under threat, regardless of whether their base is staying open, closing or relocating."
The smell of bovine excrement is overwhelming.
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Is that not the case then?
North Wales aren't happy:
BBC News - Crime commissioner wants to challenge helicopter base closure
BBC News - Crime commissioner wants to challenge helicopter base closure
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http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...BC%2010-14.pdf
When the aircraft arrived on stand at Manchester Airport (MAN), the total fuel was 700 kg below the final reserve figure and there was an imbalance of 500 kg between the tanks.
Packed holiday jet's emergency landing because ''pilot was worried about being demoted''
When the aircraft arrived on stand at Manchester Airport (MAN), the total fuel was 700 kg below the final reserve figure and there was an imbalance of 500 kg between the tanks.
There was no indication that the crew’s performance was degraded by fatigue or medical reasons. However, the commander was affected by the major re-organisation that was taking place in the company. He tried to put worries about his pending demotion to one side when he was at work but inevitably these still intruded into his mind.
He sensed that the airline was in turmoil due to a major internal re-organisation programme. The direct effect for him was that he had been told that he would be one of several captains who would be demoted to first officer in March 2014 and that his salary would reduce significantly. He was unhappy about this impending change and the matter weighed heavily on his mind at work, despite his best efforts to ignore it.
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Anyone have anything to report?
I'm pleased to let you all know that due to the fantastic support from all of you and the associated media attention etc, Barry Coppinger (Cleveland PCC & NPAS board member who voted to scrap the base at DTV airport) has contacted me and we have arranged to meet to discuss the decision at Police HQ in Middlesbrough on Tuesday March 10th at 4:15pm. This is great progress and is down to the fantastic amount of support shown by you!
I can assure you that during his meeting, I will be raising all of the concerns that we share in relation to this proposal. I will make your voices heard!!
I can assure you that during his meeting, I will be raising all of the concerns that we share in relation to this proposal. I will make your voices heard!!
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You hit the nail on the head!! We are now 3 years into the NPAS stress and upheaval and IMHO it's only down to the crews in the aircraft and their professionalism why we haven't had any harmful incidents, but I think personally that particular bag of luck must be running empty soon.
Please everyone stay safe.
You hit the nail on the head!! We are now 3 years into the NPAS stress and upheaval and IMHO it's only down to the crews in the aircraft and their professionalism why we haven't had any harmful incidents, but I think personally that particular bag of luck must be running empty soon.
Please everyone stay safe.
Redundancies, relocation packages, fixed wing procurement, two new bases, penalty payments from terminating contracts.
Hope all this doesn't cost more than the planned 14% saving, because that would be really embarrassing!!!!!!!!
Hope all this doesn't cost more than the planned 14% saving, because that would be really embarrassing!!!!!!!!
As well as the above, I have been reminded by PM of the potential claims for unfair dismissal, breach of promise arising from the email stating peoples jobs were safe, and, at least one base which under the terms of the lease agreement will have to be demolished if police flying ceases!
Where is the piece of paper that shows how much NPAS has put aside to cover these costs?
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waste of money.....
Seems NPAS have started re-registering their fleet, out of sequence regs too at more expense........G-SURY noted surfacing from RGV spray shop at Staverton as G-POLB.......is this the start of a trend ?
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Registration Forms and Fees | Aircraft Register | Operations and Safety
Charge for the registration of a balloon, unpowered glider,
microlight, or any other aircraft having a maximum weight not exceeding 15,000kg.
£69
Charge for an out of sequence registration (in addition to registration fee)
in the case of any aircraft.
£300
Charge for the reservation of an out-of-sequence mark (for 6 months)
£150
Of course this system of NPAS registrations is all well and good, up to the point at which the fifth in the 'POL' series is reached, then it's ok again until the 'must have' registration
...
Charge for the registration of a balloon, unpowered glider,
microlight, or any other aircraft having a maximum weight not exceeding 15,000kg.
£69
Charge for an out of sequence registration (in addition to registration fee)
in the case of any aircraft.
£300
Charge for the reservation of an out-of-sequence mark (for 6 months)
£150
Of course this system of NPAS registrations is all well and good, up to the point at which the fifth in the 'POL' series is reached, then it's ok again until the 'must have' registration
...
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Looking at the map on the previous page, and noting that advice is given that some "new" (improved service?) areas are beyond the reach of helicopters..... Something is puzzling me:
If the areas are not reachable by helicopters, those areas will either be left without air support altogether (but still pay!), or by implication, be covered by fixed wing aircraft.
What type of fixed wing aircraft are replacing the existing helicopters being removed from service, if any?
Seems to me that it's going to be "open house" for criminals in some more remote areas. No road traffic departments either (I understand that some police forces disbanded theirs some time ago), so only local, non-specialist driver trained ground units remain?
If the areas are not reachable by helicopters, those areas will either be left without air support altogether (but still pay!), or by implication, be covered by fixed wing aircraft.
What type of fixed wing aircraft are replacing the existing helicopters being removed from service, if any?
Seems to me that it's going to be "open house" for criminals in some more remote areas. No road traffic departments either (I understand that some police forces disbanded theirs some time ago), so only local, non-specialist driver trained ground units remain?
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Seems to me that it's going to be "open house" for criminals in some more remote areas.
Besides, I think you've forgotten the weather factor
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As usual, Sid, you write in riddles. It was a straightforward question, I thought.
I take it that you don't know the answer but feel a need to write something...?
I take it that you don't know the answer but feel a need to write something...?
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Sorry Shy, didn't realise I had to answer your questions each time you ask them, but I'll try;
Don't know, not in the fixed wing loop.
I know there's a question mark in that paragraph, but is that a question or statement?
What type of fixed wing aircraft are replacing the existing helicopters being removed from service, if any?
Seems to me that it's going to be "open house" for criminals in some more remote areas. No road traffic departments either (I understand that some police forces disbanded theirs some time ago), so only local, non-specialist driver trained ground units remain?
Seems to me that it's going to be "open house" for criminals in some more remote areas. No road traffic departments either (I understand that some police forces disbanded theirs some time ago), so only local, non-specialist driver trained ground units remain?
I know there's a question mark in that paragraph, but is that a question or statement?
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Sorry Shy, didn't realise I had to answer your questions each time you ask them, but I'll try;
But you did...
I know there's a question mark in that paragraph, but is that a question or statement?
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I wasn't answering your question in my initial reply Shy, just highlighting that your construction of the argument that remote area crimes will increase due to the reduction of air cover is, imho, invalid.
I must have been behind the bike sheds with Jane for that one, but I didn't miss the one that told us that a sentence can begin with 'It seems', 'you seem', 'we seem', 'they seem' or 'I seem etc', but not simply 'Seems'. I also seem to recall that there was a little bit about sentence construction and comma use, but that's not important here
Sorry, what was your second question?
Yes, I do normally put a question mark after a question, and an exclamation mark after an exclamation. It's what they taught me to do on the reading and writing course. Did you skive off?
Sorry, what was your second question?