Grand Canyon Accident: Pilot killed in AS350 rollover
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Originally Posted by SilsoeSid
Read my post JEC, not the man, the system
Originally Posted by SilsoeSid
Until someone comes up with a more appropriate flight manual;
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FLIGHT MANUAL AS 350 B3 Arriel 2B1
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The following are forbidden :
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- Leave the aircraft with no pilot at the controls while rotor is
spinning.
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- Minimum flight crew ................. : One pilot in right seat.
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The big question is, what does the FM for this ac actually state about leaving the ac with the ac running?
Are you saying that the pilot in this incident was right in what he was doing? Because I'm saying that I think what he did was wrong
Which makes it clear that he didn't ensure that the aircraft couldn't become airborne without the 'legal minimum flight crew'.
You're absolutely right, in your mind he did nothing 'wrong' ... yet ended up dead!
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FLIGHT MANUAL AS 350 B3 Arriel 2B1
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The following are forbidden :
…
- Leave the aircraft with no pilot at the controls while rotor is
spinning.
...
- Minimum flight crew ................. : One pilot in right seat.
…
The big question is, what does the FM for this ac actually state about leaving the ac with the ac running?
Are you saying that the pilot in this incident was right in what he was doing? Because I'm saying that I think what he did was wrong
Which makes it clear that he didn't ensure that the aircraft couldn't become airborne without the 'legal minimum flight crew'.
You're absolutely right, in your mind he did nothing 'wrong' ... yet ended up dead!
You don't even have the gumption to admit your motives in this thread. You get called out and try to hide behind what you describe as targeting "the system". Here, in the colonies, we call that chicken****.
After that own goal from Bob and crass comments from our duty wannabee I really have to move on from this laborious thread and trying to educate the colonies. 
I'll leave you with this thought - is the reason why you have to deplane - really worth the risk of losing your life?
Aclark79: If your friend was looking down on this now - I'd gamble he'd have a snigger about what he did - for him he went the way all helo drivers want to go - doing his job. This definition is just for him. Nothing personal bud. RiP.
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I'll leave you with this thought - is the reason why you have to deplane - really worth the risk of losing your life?
Aclark79: If your friend was looking down on this now - I'd gamble he'd have a snigger about what he did - for him he went the way all helo drivers want to go - doing his job. This definition is just for him. Nothing personal bud. RiP.
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JEC, you simply don't get it do you!
I'm saying that I think what he did was wrong … and he only did it because the system told him it was right.
If the systems in place told him it was wrong, in all probability he wouldn't have done it and would still be with us, yet the systems clearly failed him.
The systems must be wrong when someone does something as simple as go for a comfort break and ends up dead, don't ya think?
SS:
Because I'm saying that I think what he did was wrong
Because I'm saying that I think what he did was wrong
If the systems in place told him it was wrong, in all probability he wouldn't have done it and would still be with us, yet the systems clearly failed him.
The systems must be wrong when someone does something as simple as go for a comfort break and ends up dead, don't ya think?
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On a lighter note, a little thing from Britlandshire that Bob et al will enjoy from our Highway Code;
https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all...cle-117-to-126
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You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road. Generally, if the vehicle is stationary and is likely to remain so for more than a couple of minutes, you should apply the parking brake and switch off the engine to reduce emissions and noise pollution. However it is permissible to leave the engine running if the vehicle is stationary in traffic or for diagnosing faults.
Law CUR regs 98 & 107
You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road. Generally, if the vehicle is stationary and is likely to remain so for more than a couple of minutes, you should apply the parking brake and switch off the engine to reduce emissions and noise pollution. However it is permissible to leave the engine running if the vehicle is stationary in traffic or for diagnosing faults.
Law CUR regs 98 & 107
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Aye right TC, tis but a scratch..
Now for the newbies, or friendly folks from innocent colonies, to understand Tommy C's genetical pedigree.
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Now be afraid, be very afraid: he still can bite you!
Now for the newbies, or friendly folks from innocent colonies, to understand Tommy C's genetical pedigree.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_(Monty_Python)
The Black Knight (Character)
Now be afraid, be very afraid: he still can bite you!
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You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road.
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/5410...ing-ducks.html
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And Sid, America is not the UK. The system there, as I understand it, does not always tell people what's right or wrong. The system gives people a choice for doing their own decision. Yes not really very British approach. Is that so difficult to understand? Are you still in shell shock for some reason?
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On that (rather lost) light note:
Bearing in mind the occasion of tomorrow, 6th June, may I suggest that we hold a 24hr truce starting at 00:01hrs GMT, in respect of the fallen.
In the spirit of the motto of The Glider Pilot Regiment;
"Nothing is Impossible"
"Jim Wallwork, Glider Pilot Regiment"
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Bearing in mind the occasion of tomorrow, 6th June, may I suggest that we hold a 24hr truce starting at 00:01hrs GMT, in respect of the fallen.
In the spirit of the motto of The Glider Pilot Regiment;
"Nothing is Impossible"
"Jim Wallwork, Glider Pilot Regiment"
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Sid,
I always begin my reflection at the time the Airborne Pathfinders started loading up for their flights across the Channel to the Drop Zones and the Glider borne Troops began to leave for their assault on the Bridge.
The flying done that night by the Glider Pilots who landed within a few Yards of the Bridge is simply amazing.
Last week I rode up to Bedford, Virginia to the National D-Day Memorial. The Memorial itself, as Memorials go, is rather plain and not all that impressive until you realize why it is in Bedford.
We should all take a bit of time tomorrow to raise a Glass and offer a Salute to those brave folks who participated in the Invasion at Normandy. I had two Uncles who crossed the beach on the second day, with one of them going MIA for a fortnight during the Battle of the Bulge before escape and evading to a small Belgian town called Bastogne.
I always begin my reflection at the time the Airborne Pathfinders started loading up for their flights across the Channel to the Drop Zones and the Glider borne Troops began to leave for their assault on the Bridge.
The flying done that night by the Glider Pilots who landed within a few Yards of the Bridge is simply amazing.
Last week I rode up to Bedford, Virginia to the National D-Day Memorial. The Memorial itself, as Memorials go, is rather plain and not all that impressive until you realize why it is in Bedford.
We should all take a bit of time tomorrow to raise a Glass and offer a Salute to those brave folks who participated in the Invasion at Normandy. I had two Uncles who crossed the beach on the second day, with one of them going MIA for a fortnight during the Battle of the Bulge before escape and evading to a small Belgian town called Bastogne.
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I really have to move on from this laborious thread and trying to educate the colonies.
No more crass comments about the deceased pilot and those who dare to disagree with you.
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they recognize individuals who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by self-selecting themselves out of the gene pool via death or sterilization by their own (unnecessarily foolish) actions.
I think my mate would be mourning the years he won't be spending with his wife and the children he won't be happening.
So yes, I take your comments personally and I extend again my offer to discuss it face to face anytime you like.
I hope people who routinely exit the aircraft without shutting down first use this tragic accident as a teaching tool and make a decision about the risk versus reward. That is the only good that will come out of this accident.
Either way nothing is going to change my opinion about you.
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Lest we forget ......
This recently published memoir is one of the best WW2 aviation books I've ever read.
Review here: Mosquito Down!
The author not only describes being shot down while flying his Mosquito but gives well-deserved credit to the largely unsung heroes who risked their lives to help and hide him and hundreds of other Allied airmen and airborne soldiers shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied Europe.
Very well written and a gripping read.
Highly recommended.
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This recently published memoir is one of the best WW2 aviation books I've ever read.
Review here: Mosquito Down!
The author not only describes being shot down while flying his Mosquito but gives well-deserved credit to the largely unsung heroes who risked their lives to help and hide him and hundreds of other Allied airmen and airborne soldiers shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied Europe.
Very well written and a gripping read.
Highly recommended.
FL
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The actions of so many brave men on and after the 6th June show just what 'Two nations divided by a common language' can achieve when they work together in a common cause.
We shall remember them.
We shall remember them.
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So that's where TC went..... 
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DB - "I do not believe ANY helicopter flight manual allows the pilot toleave the controls with the rotor under power."
DB,
I don’t believe any flight manual ALLOWS any pilot to do anything. Itprohibits or limits certain things. If its not prohibited, its allowed. You canargue that its unsafe, or poor judgment but it’s perfectly legal here in the USunless the flight manual specifically forbids it.
DB,
I don’t believe any flight manual ALLOWS any pilot to do anything. Itprohibits or limits certain things. If its not prohibited, its allowed. You canargue that its unsafe, or poor judgment but it’s perfectly legal here in the USunless the flight manual specifically forbids it.
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Imagine this happening in the UK?
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