Police helicopter crashes onto Glasgow pub
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@Steveo67 Does this view help? I can't see the cathedral much in the way. The tenements would be more of an issue.
Putting the heli to the north/travelling east, looks like they didn't have any chance to aim for anything. It all happened too fast.
Putting the heli to the north/travelling east, looks like they didn't have any chance to aim for anything. It all happened too fast.
Hopefully AAIB will find all this type of info, I know people have comments but with an incident as serious as this do we we need wild speculation and political comments!
This is a fatal accident....and is no more tragic than any other fatal accident.
Good folks have been lost and the discussion extant is about what could have happened to cause the crash of the helicopter.
Asking if there is any Radar Trace Data is just that....a question.
Such Data could depict such information as Ground Track, Altitude, Height above Ground, Ground Speed, and if there were deviations prior to the aircraft being lost on Radar.
Asking what mission the aircraft was tasked with also would begin to describe what flight profiles might be used.
No politics or wild speculation in those two questions.
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Yes. I know the area well, I'm from Glasgow which is why I'm puzzled about what would and wouldn't have been visible. It's much further away than the 250ft he thought but I'm well aware of all the blocking buildings, some pretty high between the viewing position and where it landed.
I'm sure they'll have enough witnesses to confirm all this fairly soon but for now his information seemed to be the most relevant and detailed. It's still astounding it wasn't worse than it was.
I'm sure they'll have enough witnesses to confirm all this fairly soon but for now his information seemed to be the most relevant and detailed. It's still astounding it wasn't worse than it was.
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Wild Speculation and Political Comments.....do explain what you mean by that comment?
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Sorry Steve, I misquoted. Smart stated 250 metres, not feet. I agree with you, he would only have seen a certain percentage of the aircraft's descent, but what he did see evidently made a big impression on him.
Yes, if this was a rotors not turning descent I'm amazed the toll wasn't higher.
But if it was a rotors-still incident, then it's nothing like the 2 previous EC-135 losses. Meaning I hope they get their finger out while other crews are still flying 135s.
At least I read Eurocopter are sending a delegation and the German AAIB to Scotland.
Yes, if this was a rotors not turning descent I'm amazed the toll wasn't higher.
But if it was a rotors-still incident, then it's nothing like the 2 previous EC-135 losses. Meaning I hope they get their finger out while other crews are still flying 135s.
At least I read Eurocopter are sending a delegation and the German AAIB to Scotland.
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Conjecture.
What about sudden incapacitation of the pilot?
Maybe he was blinded by a laser-pen?
Are either of the observers capable of taking control (assuming there was time)?
Would any autopilot software intervene?
Maybe he was blinded by a laser-pen?
Are either of the observers capable of taking control (assuming there was time)?
Would any autopilot software intervene?
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Post#101 is innocent enough, and 135 (mine) was in response to a rant that those involved were being bigged up.
You may have missed the inference, but my post was actually about the media going into opinions in the absence of facts, and other sections just misinforming.
Sorry if you have a problem with that, but I'd like the facts, which is why I'm interested and here, rather than there.
Post#101 is innocent enough, and 135 (mine) was in response to a rant that those involved were being bigged up.
You may have missed the inference, but my post was actually about the media going into opinions in the absence of facts, and other sections just misinforming.
Sorry if you have a problem with that, but I'd like the facts, which is why I'm interested and here, rather than there.
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I was discussing this with a friend and noted that there was a float kit in some of the previous footage of aircraft. Would the river be the obvious place for a night time auto if that was fitted and armed?
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Why no comment about post 140! It is very clear to me that you have zero experience in this industry and are just some thing from the press leaching what they can off this forum when it comes to high profile incidents, shame on you!
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G-CPTN:
News in the local papers this week of a spate of laser incidents on approach to EGPF - you may be onto something there.
In other news, the AAIB can pack up and go home, Westboro Baptist Church have stated unequivocally that it was no accident, God had decided to show Glasgow and Scotland that passing the Equal Marriage Act and our proclivity for a wee swally was displeasing to Him.
Westboro Baptist Church blames Glasgow helicopter crash on gay marriage and drinking | Pride's Purge
edited to direct reply to G-CPTN, not Conjecture , sorry.
News in the local papers this week of a spate of laser incidents on approach to EGPF - you may be onto something there.
In other news, the AAIB can pack up and go home, Westboro Baptist Church have stated unequivocally that it was no accident, God had decided to show Glasgow and Scotland that passing the Equal Marriage Act and our proclivity for a wee swally was displeasing to Him.
Westboro Baptist Church blames Glasgow helicopter crash on gay marriage and drinking | Pride's Purge
edited to direct reply to G-CPTN, not Conjecture , sorry.
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Just to put some contrast on that last post, one of the first offers of help last night came from Glasgow Central Mosque (just across the Clyde) who threw their doors open and offered food, drink and a rest area for all involved.
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nmh yes, you're right, I have no experience in this industry. I never claimed to. I'm just a member of the public with an interest in aviation. Didn't think that was a hanging offence.
As for post 140, that's someone else's problem.
As for leeching, I have nothing to gain. Just an interest.
Now, if that's okay with you, maybe we can get back on subject?
As for post 140, that's someone else's problem.
As for leeching, I have nothing to gain. Just an interest.
Now, if that's okay with you, maybe we can get back on subject?
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Getting even sillier.
Lasers of 2in diameter beam are on sale as " targeting devices ", range
undisclosed, no age restriction, for £135 from only one UK distributor.
What happened was fairly instant and plainly final. From an angle below?
l think not.
Only three possibilities for failure.
Aircraft. - tax payers money being spent, unlikely cause.
Pilot. - health problems, unlikely cause.
External. - most likely. Lasers not directly into the eye, unlikely cause.
Atc know.
Lasers of 2in diameter beam are on sale as " targeting devices ", range
undisclosed, no age restriction, for £135 from only one UK distributor.
What happened was fairly instant and plainly final. From an angle below?
l think not.
Only three possibilities for failure.
Aircraft. - tax payers money being spent, unlikely cause.
Pilot. - health problems, unlikely cause.
External. - most likely. Lasers not directly into the eye, unlikely cause.
Atc know.
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I've just been googling why my force was using an AS350 a couple of weeks ago (wondering if some forces might revert to older/other models pending AAIB) and I came across the police aviation page.
Curiously, I read one helo was brought down by a defective fuel pump.
Wasn't on a 135, but it's another possible surely, apart from main gearbox failure or "did it run out of fuel" as I saw one person quote on another forum.
Just wondering aloud, as the 135 isn't exactly plagued by mgb stuff like the 335.
Curiously, I read one helo was brought down by a defective fuel pump.
Wasn't on a 135, but it's another possible surely, apart from main gearbox failure or "did it run out of fuel" as I saw one person quote on another forum.
Just wondering aloud, as the 135 isn't exactly plagued by mgb stuff like the 335.
Jiminy Christmas folks!
Lasers, ground fire from druggies, God and the Westboro Baptist Church...not a bit of evidence for any of that....none...zip...zero....and you want anyone to grant you any credibility when you post such stuff?
Lasers, ground fire from druggies, God and the Westboro Baptist Church...not a bit of evidence for any of that....none...zip...zero....and you want anyone to grant you any credibility when you post such stuff?
Anyone know anymore about this from The Guardian ?
Thanks
There have been significant safety alerts recently, however. Bond Air Services temporarily took the EC135 out of service last year after the Scottish Ambulance Service reported a crack in the main rotor hub; the same defect was found in other EC135s, so Bond introduced daily safety checks before allowing the aircraft to resume service.
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Safety fears last May
BBC News - Scottish air ambulances grounded amid safety fears
Here is the article from May when both Bond a/c were grounded over suspected cracks in the rotor hub.
Was this issue resolved or could it be a possible explanation?
Here is the article from May when both Bond a/c were grounded over suspected cracks in the rotor hub.
Was this issue resolved or could it be a possible explanation?