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Old 25th Sep 2014, 21:08
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Hopefully by the time the Met come on board, PNAS would have sorted out the corporate identity!
It seems everyone else, including the aircraft, is wearing the new PNAS badges, emblems and identity apart from ….


The Emergency Exit Jettison (EEJ) training rig was delivered to the NPAS base at Carr Gate, Wakefield, on Friday 5 September.
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Old 26th Sep 2014, 08:41
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I also understand that October 1 is off the menu as far as the Met joining NPAS goes but no sign of a date yet so it could still be later in October.

All subject to negotiation.
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Thanks Bryn

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NPAS has published its first Annual Report in digital format. It is fairly short and an easy read so I will leave readers to make up their own minds and make personal interpretations on the figures it presents. It is clear that the numbers of contracted flight hours and those actually operated for the individual police forces have diverged significantly to give a negative viewpoint on NPAS and its worth. Most of us expected that result, after all the police air support industry created by the diverse chief constables and police authorities of the past varied from a 24/7/365 gold standard to something many steps below dictated by local financial muscle. The NPAS we have today is for most a dilution of the gold standard but if you contrast it with some of the many dire operational variations across the world it remains at least a silver standard and might easily enhance itself in time. The report is currently here on the Police Aviation News website pending the launch of the finite NPAS website
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Apparently there is now a V1.2 of the annual report,


... anything to do with a missing £799,183


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Is it me or does that Pie chart make no sense ?

Or am I going colour blind ? ?

£11.3 MILLION POUNDS on "Private Mileages" !

£15.1 MILLION POUNDS on "Printer Recharges" ! !

wtf

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Change the category colours, rename a couple and move the legend around and maybe that added extra white slice that conveniently balances the numbers won't be noticed.

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My colour vision seems to have been restored,
but now there's a strong smell of FISH !

I wonder if they used the same set of crayons for the colouring in,
that were used way back for drawing those "20 minute circles"

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Couldn't they have asked either someone who knew the facts or someone who had even the slightest grip of the English language to write the report?
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Are they basically saying that the previous UEO's or force chiefs didn't give NPAS the correct information when asked?
Was it a mistake in record keeping or something else?
Surely auditors can find out what went wrong with the figures provided, as its not small change which is being reported.
Who is in charge of monitoring NPAS?
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Who is in charge of monitoring NPAS?

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Just in case you had not twigged it the same original link will now take you to the updated file
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A very good question PAN, I think the answer can be found at the end of the report;




By the way, any news on the rumour that history may be about to repeat itself at Elstree? Do you think it might be something to do with Police helicopter support in Hertfordshire plummets under new scheme, maybe it's a money saving relocation or or simply a rumour?
If not the latter, do we never learn from the past!

The small Enstrom F28 two seat helicopters then used had suffered from vandal attacks at their former base of Elstree Airport and Lippitts Hill offered enhanced security over all of the other sites investigated over a ten year period.
http://www.brynelliott.host-ed.me/Li...ice%20Camp.pdf
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With the 5 year contracts for airworthiness management, maintenance and parts now in place, covering 25 aircraft (6 902's and 19 EC's) along with a contract worth £10 million to upgrade 7 of these aircraft, is it safe to assume that there will be no cuts in the number of operationally available aircraft within these 5 years? If there are 'swathing cuts' on the near horizon, will AH be quids in?

Notice that the airworthiness management, maintenance and parts contracts are for 25 aircraft .... what about the 3 spares?
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SS - I think you'll find the spare (reserve) airframes are included in the numbers, certainly the EC machines add up.
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SS - I think you'll find the spare (reserve) airframes are included in the numbers, certainly the EC machines add up.

"25 NPAS aircraft will be placed at 23 strategic locations that provide the operational capability to deliver an enhanced service to the public with an aircraft being available 24 hours a day. 3 reserve aircraft will also be provided when aircraft are offline for maintenance to minimise reduction in service."

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"25 NPAS aircraft are placed at 23 strategic locations providing an air service to 98% of the population of England and Wales within 20 minutes."


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Back to Basics - the old days of AAC Sioux and police observer lol :)

I saw this on the web and laughed, though had a thought about the early days of an AAC Sioux with Police Observer during trials lol



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Just one Hellfire could cause several millions of pounds worth
of improvements to some areas I can think of

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"Stinger is authorised" takes on a whole new meaning................
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..... especially as it is primarily a man portable surface to air missile
(then developed for air to air)
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The 2013/14 financial year was the first full year of the National Police Air Service (NPAS) operation. The year was a transitional one starting with seventeen forces as members, with a service being provided by eleven aircraft from twelve bases. This escalated to 36 forces being serviced by 22 airframes from nineteen bases.
Just trying to work out how the numbers add up.
As it stands, PNAS is presently supporting 36 forces by using 22 airframes and has just awarded contracts to both PAS and AH for the next 5 years. The contracts are for 6 Explorers and 19 Airbus types.

If that 22 airframes includes the spares, that means that in the next 5 years there are only 3 airframes to join the party.
If that 22 airframes doesn't include the spares, the maintenance contracts only cover what is in PNAS now and do not cover any other aircraft that PNAS/W.Yorks will 'own' in the next 5 years.

ASU's still to join;
Met - 3x145
Wiltshire - 902
Dyfed Powys - 109
S.Wales - 135
Humberside - 902
Sheffield - 902



Of course this could all mean that when the 'still to join' units join, there will be a reduction of 8 airframes elsewhere, because it can be clearly seen that for the next 5 years there is only going to be a maximum of 25 MD/AH airframes in the fleet


As West Yorkshire are the registered owners of 22 aircraft, I suggest that the 22 airframes servicing the 36 forces includes the spares GINFO Search Results Summary | Aircraft Register

This leaves space in the service contract for only 3 more EC's.

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.... unless the number of airframes being quoted is as accurate
as their first attempt at drawing a pie chart

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