UK NPAS discussion thread: Mk 3
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Get the Aussie and NZ pilots over here to show how it really can be done without the whining once the engines have stopped 
A seven-year-old boy who spent a winter's night lost in chilly conditions in the Australian bush says a friendly kangaroo is the reason he survived.
South Australian police said Simon Kruger went missing in the Deep Creek Conservation Park, south of Adelaide, after wandering away from a family picnic shortly after 1.15pm Saturday.
A search party of about 40, including two rescue helicopters, was mobilized to locate Simon, who was wearing just a fleece top and track pants and was not equipped for a night in the elements.
South Australian police said Simon Kruger went missing in the Deep Creek Conservation Park, south of Adelaide, after wandering away from a family picnic shortly after 1.15pm Saturday.
A search party of about 40, including two rescue helicopters, was mobilized to locate Simon, who was wearing just a fleece top and track pants and was not equipped for a night in the elements.
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Yes, they couldn't possibly have just talked to the 771 guys at Culdrose who know the islands like the back of their hands
And what will the police bring to search and rescue operations on Scilly that isn't already covered by the MCA and SAR???
And what will the police bring to search and rescue operations on Scilly that isn't already covered by the MCA and SAR???
Originally Posted by Hughes500
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Hm well there's another waste of tax payer's money. If they have to survey the islands for sites doesn't say much for piloting ability does it ?
Hm well there's another waste of tax payer's money. If they have to survey the islands for sites doesn't say much for piloting ability does it ?
Maybe Police operations, crab@? Who said anything about SAR
Colin says they also took photos from key points around the coastline, which could help in planning future search and rescue operations.
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I'm quite intrigued that there is such a degree of criticism here of what seems to me to be professional and competent expansion of knowledge of an operation's area.
Even before the advent of Google Earth police control rooms were collecting images of salient points on their manor and dating them so the questions could be asked as to whether 'things' had changed. This is 25 years ago and I saw specific examples kept by the Met and D&C.
And the same applies to the rest of UK air support - dated images were kept so you had a point of reference readily to hand. If they had built an estate meanwhile it may well be pretty obvious!
OK so today they may not be in a shabby and bent loose leaf binder, more likely on the hard drive and used in conjunction with Google, but they are a starting point for planning an approach for an operation whether you are planning a nap of the earth covert walk-in or an aircraft on an approach to a new site.
And the same applies to the rest of UK air support - dated images were kept so you had a point of reference readily to hand. If they had built an estate meanwhile it may well be pretty obvious!
OK so today they may not be in a shabby and bent loose leaf binder, more likely on the hard drive and used in conjunction with Google, but they are a starting point for planning an approach for an operation whether you are planning a nap of the earth covert walk-in or an aircraft on an approach to a new site.
crab@,
I guess I read that comment as an incidental aside to the true task of the recce, more of a sop to the press to prevent the very attitude that we are seeing here of deriding the trip rather than supporting a professional approach by the crews. Nonetheless, I see the tenuous association that prompted your comment about 771NAS: sorry.
I'm sure that many in the UK are aware that other nations do Polair, SAR and Ambo quite differently and yet they seem to manage quite well and (dare I mention) quite professionally without much of the territory marking that seems to prevail within discussions on RH. Our VicPol do Polair, SAR and Ambo; other State Polair do both SAR and Polair. Ambo contracts around the nation are done by both State and by contract operators, day and night, plus they all are winch equipped and SAR capable.
The sooner that the UK CAA drag themselves into the latter half of the 20th Century and allow Police ops to catch up with the rest of the world, the better.
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I guess I read that comment as an incidental aside to the true task of the recce, more of a sop to the press to prevent the very attitude that we are seeing here of deriding the trip rather than supporting a professional approach by the crews. Nonetheless, I see the tenuous association that prompted your comment about 771NAS: sorry.
I'm sure that many in the UK are aware that other nations do Polair, SAR and Ambo quite differently and yet they seem to manage quite well and (dare I mention) quite professionally without much of the territory marking that seems to prevail within discussions on RH. Our VicPol do Polair, SAR and Ambo; other State Polair do both SAR and Polair. Ambo contracts around the nation are done by both State and by contract operators, day and night, plus they all are winch equipped and SAR capable.
The sooner that the UK CAA drag themselves into the latter half of the 20th Century and allow Police ops to catch up with the rest of the world, the better.
My 6c worth
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Should there be a call in bad weather and the driver has no experience of the local features and stuffs up, would you then be raising the same level of criticism that 'he should have known the area, after all it's in his patch'?
If this is justified because it is 'on their patch', then perhaps all NPAS units will get their chance of visiting the various Islands. I believe Tresco is very nice most times of the year and I bet there'll be a few after bagging the IoM during TT week and IoW during Cowes
In the meantime, lets look forward to reading the report
heh heh - this was a jolly by DandC whichever way you paint it. I did the same when I was 'checking out' my patch and their numerous "outer islands". Not necessary - says the risk matrix.
How often is there a job on "the Vanunu Islands" Vs what are the chances when we start up tomorrow due to us being a 'downbird' will the beastie start properly with all systems go, Vs being offline to the rest of the busy sectors.
Mmmmm I can smell that sea air now................
How often is there a job on "the Vanunu Islands" Vs what are the chances when we start up tomorrow due to us being a 'downbird' will the beastie start properly with all systems go, Vs being offline to the rest of the busy sectors.
Mmmmm I can smell that sea air now................
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Well all three of those in the back are local Police, were there no TFO's on board? Who's opening the door?
Isles of Scilly Policing Team
Edit - ooops, I see now that regular crew were in the back also.
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Edit - ooops, I see now that regular crew were in the back also.
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Is a PCSO a 'CAA Agreed Passenger'?
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Mr.B, why not enlighten us all? Unlike yourself, not everyone has/will have access to the info.
If you're prepared to say ...
... surely through your reliable source, you can tell us what the NPAS Police Ops Manual says about PCSO's and how it differs from CAP 612 
If you're prepared to say ...
A very reliable source tells me that if you read the NPAS Police Ops Manual then it actual says that to use a site at night then the site must be surveyed and kept in the site landing directory (each site survey valid for 12 months).
Is a PCSO a 'CAA Agreed Passenger'?
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Duties of a PCSO during landing site surveys would be what?
.... were on board the EC145 Eurocopter at the time, which was making a reconnaissance visit to the islands to survey landing sites.
We set off to to recce future landing spots on the off islands. Somewhere over Tresco,
Duties of a PCSO during landing site surveys would be what?
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Cabby, just a couple of things,
a. The PCSO lives there
b. PCSO's aren't normally authorised to hold truncheons
Having said that, ref b. there was a night out in the equation
a. The PCSO lives there
b. PCSO's aren't normally authorised to hold truncheons
Having said that, ref b. there was a night out in the equation