spiny tails

Oh, my mistake then, thought it was only the met that had 145's

peterprobe

Post event? Probably no log book the problem. Bit difficult to get an airframe airworthy when the history of it is unknown....

SilsoeSid

National Police Air Service (NPAS) | West Yorkshire Police



*Logo pending HM The Queen approval


There's an awful lot of use going on of a logo that hasn't yet been approved by HM.
Is it something like an Eastern European number plate, that can only be used for a specified time?
Or is it like a real world Eastern European number plate that gets continually used regardless of the rules

J.A.F.O.

I think you might be a bit behind the times, Sid.

SilsoeSid

Having taken the information (*Logo pending HM The Queen approval) from the most credible source available, NPAS's own webpage this very afternoon..... sorry, who's behind the times? :ooh:

Nice of you to criticise my post though, without giving us any verification on what you're saying.
I wouldn't like to think another one of these mistakes was being made;
Police Scotland in logo blunder

Unless of course you mean that foreign plates can now
be used in the UK indefinately, however I don't think so!...

Fly_For_Fun

Assuming NPAS website is upto date may be a pitfall. But not getting approval before rebadging aircraft and flight suits seems unlikely.

SilsoeSid

But not unpossible

Coconutty

I like this version :

peterprobe

The current work relates to a post event 'contract' and the delays are part of that experience.


Post event ? not what I hear, still down to the state of the machine and that it had got so bad, plus the no logbook they were asked to sort out. Say what you like about PAS/Bond/or any of the other companies in the HEMS/Police game. At least their engineers and the companies wont kick it out of the shed till its right.

PANews

Perhaps you have misconstrued why I say post event contract.....

The airframe was part way through an annual that was started in January when NPAS arrived.... so that's 2+ months down the road that should normally take one month [which is long enough anyway] and then [and only then?] PAS come on the scene to enter into a contract to remedy that previous state of the aircraft with South Yorkshire Police.

I understand it will return to service in a few weeks more. To keep costs down 'repairs' are being undertaken rather than new part substitution. It all takes time but if the 2+ was OK another 3+ is neither here nor there.......

Which presents the question ..... if you can be on the ground for 6 months without the world coming to an end are you really needed?

Yes there is a substitute NPAS aircraft... but that is CMBS and that is a spare for the other Explorers so 'only when it is available' .....

backtothebeat

I think you can safely say that ANY force could chop its aircraft and the world wouldn't end..!!

Police work was being successfully carried out way before helicopters got involved.

ShyTorque

Of course it was.

Then it was proven that effectiveness could be improved and many man hours and money could be saved by the use of helicopters. Senior policemen/women made their careers on that basis. Now others are making theirs by "proving" that effectiveness can be improved and many man hours and money can be saved by getting rid of some of them.

Or not.....

SilsoeSid

Absolutely correct backtothebeat...

... and exactly the same could be said for all police vehicles such as cars & boats & motorbikes. Lets not forget successful policing can also be carried out without the use of fingerprinting, DNA & forensic science, tracking devices, radios and even mobile phones.
Dare I mention that the 'modern policing' era you allude to goes back to before the bicycle, perhaps that's also an expense too far

We could even go back to the days where a peeler was allowed to notice someone being in the wrong area at the wrong time, not looking right shall we say, and being allowed to question that person as to why they were there, profiling if you like, using the coppers nose!
But then again, a top hat, tails, a whistle, and a clip round the ear is all that's needed these days to "Make communities safer by upholding the law fairly and firmly; preventing crime and antisocial behaviour; keeping the peace; protecting and reassuring communities; investigating crime and bringing offenders to justice."
(ACPO-Statement of Mission and Values for the Police Service )

Or do the rest of us live in a different society to you?

backtothebeat

So the police can't do police work without helicopters ?

SilsoeSid

Nobody has said that backto.
The two people that have replied to your post have agreed with you that "Police work was being successfully carried out way before helicopters got involved."

jayteeto

Cars still ran on carbs before fuel injectors (less efficiently)
Hospitals still treated patients before MRI scanners (less efficiently)
Offices still got paperwork done before computers (less efficiently)
People communicated with letters before e-mails (less efficiently)
Supermarkets still added up your bill before scanners (less efficiently)
You could get a ship to the USA before aeroplanes etc etc etc
Get the drift???????????

backtothebeat

Yeah yeah yeah.
I'm not saying that police work isn't thoroughly enhanced by having an a/c available. I've been doing police work from the air for a decade so you don't have to sell it to me. I know all the benefits.
However. This is the police your talking about, and its run by idiots.
They won't pay any attention to those arguments if someone gets it in their head that money can be saved and CV enhanced by chopping an ASU. (Although NPAS has done that job already) don't forget Merseyside chopped their unit way before NPAS.! .
ASU's are no different to horses, dogs, underwater search, traffic, firearms etc etc in THEIR eyes.
The idiots running the show dont listen to logic..!!

PANews

Unfortunately the only answer to your problem [the idiots] is to lengthen the time they have to serve on the streets before any promotion.

At the present, even without direct entry from all sorts of police orientated jobs like selling ice cream later in life, the ACPO material can get off the streets after 2 years [and 6 months of that might be training] whereas if the minimum figure was instead 5 years they might have actually learned something about the survival of the fittest.

The downside of that is that the born and bred idiots would be there [carrying your coat] into battle for that much longer!!!!

It isn't going to change any day soon..... its been like this for 200 years...!

backtothebeat

haha. Indeed PA News. Spoken as only someone who has been at the "sharp end" could..!

Coconutty

I fear that supposition is somewhat false in the context of NPAS,
and that the original aims to provide " .... a more efficient service at a reduced cost....."
no longer apply, because neither aim will be met !

It think it will be VERY interesting to find out, once everyone has joined NPAS,
by way of Freedom of Interest Requests, just how much each force is paying for NPAS,
and for how many hours cover, and compare this with what was being paid and the hours flown pre-NPAS

Apart from the financial aspects, and despite asking, there don't seem to be many,
if any examples of a more efficient service under NPAS either ( yet ? )