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AS332L2 Ditching off Shetland: 23rd August 2013

Old 28th Jan 2014, 11:38
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The problem is that both the rotary and fixed-wing world are wrestling with the issues that events like these throw up. It is slightly interesting to look at Air Afiqiyah in TIP, Asiana at SFO, UPS at BHM and CHC at SUM; they all have common threads tied up in both procedural and Human Factor issues. This is not only a North Sea problem, it is an air transport issue. There has to be a recognition that we are balancing risk against productivity - never two good mutual stablemates. How we manage that risk through material improvements is important as well as taking a long hard look at how we train pilots. It should not need an accident to promote improvements, in theory this is what all these wonderful SMS are supposed to do, however effecting an expensive improvement is always an uphill battle unless the parties who sign the contracts have hard evidence as the cost/benefit. Sadly this evidence is not usually publishable in the public domain.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 14:28
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Bickering over who is at fault between the Operators and the Oil Companies is wasted effort.

Of course they both are guilty, as are the NAA's, and the OEM's, the Passengers, Pilots, Engineers, Executives, and every link in the chain that makes up the environment under which we live, work, fly, and in some cases die.

Rather than bicker like old Women.....start addressing the real issues and admit your own respective roles in the situation.

If all the dancers at this party did that we would be a lot better off.

Ultimately it does get back to that trade off TOD reminds us of.

I pose the same question but phrase it this way....."What is the Value of a Human Life to an Oil Company?".
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 15:03
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I pose the same question but phrase it this way....."What is the Value of a Human Life to an Oil Company?".


To which there is not a single or straight forward answer. Nicely underlining the complexity of the whole discussion.

But can I try and be better? Can I try and do more?

Enough said?
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 18:44
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This is the only press article I can find so far regarding the transport committee "gathering evidence" in Aberdeen. But driving to work this morning listening to Radio Scotland, I heard an American Sikorsky spokesman giving an interview - he says in 50 years helicopters will be flown remotely with no pilots on board.

Well, I won't be here in 50 years, far less getting in a helicopter, but humans do make mistakes, so I would rather the guy flying suffered the same consequences of a mistake as the pax, and not be able to crash from a comfy desk and office flying the aircraft remotely.

Wish I could find a link to the interview.

Edited to add - already discussed on PPRuNein 2010.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 19:27
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Hopefully, the technology in the drilling industry will have moved-on at a parallel pace, and we won't be cramming blokes into unsuitable airframes in 50 years either.

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Old 28th Jan 2014, 19:48
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What drilling industry?
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 20:15
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
What drilling industry?
You don't believe that there'll still be hydrocarbon exploration and extraction in 50 years time?
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 21:00
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In fifty years, everything will be powered wirelessly from orbiting solar satellites.

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Old 28th Jan 2014, 21:32
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Originally Posted by diginagain View Post
... and we won't be cramming blokes into unsuitable airframes in 50 years either.
Would you care to offer some examples of unsuitable airframes here?
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
Would you care to offer some examples of unsuitable airframes here?
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Really?
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 21:52
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Yeah, really.

Make your case for
"unsuitable airframes"
if you think you can.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 21:53
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Yes, really.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 22:18
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How about a derivation of a military troop-lifting helicopter adapted for other purposes, one that I get to sit in every three weeks or so. But hey, if it's only me that thinks it's unsuitable, what does it matter. What do you guys get to travel offshore in?
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 22:49
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I heard an American Sikorsky spokesman giving an interview - he says in 50 years helicopters will be flown remotely with no pilots on board.

Was his Elbow propped on the Bar of the Runway Pub at the time by chance?
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Old 29th Jan 2014, 09:37
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Originally Posted by thelearner View Post
... I heard an American Sikorsky spokesman giving an interview - he says in 50 years helicopters will be flown remotely with no pilots on board. ...
Yeah, blame the computer programmer. He's probably not in a union!
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Old 29th Jan 2014, 09:45
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Don't least suitable airframes readily fall out of the last 120 pages and elsewhere on the forum?

332
window size (all)
door jettison arrangement (all?)
door-mounted starboard liferaft (some)

92
window size
run dry
vibration

...
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Old 29th Jan 2014, 12:16
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Bar of the Runway Pub
Sorry SASless. Doesn't exist any more. It's now a Thai restuarant or something like that.
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Old 29th Jan 2014, 15:42
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Close FED. IT became a curry house then Jimmy Chungs Chinese and the last I heard Jimmy Chung had moved on so maybe one of the ABZ based guys can tell us what it is now!!
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Old 29th Jan 2014, 20:29
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Dyce tandoori, or it was last week..

CHC's turn for a 332 emergency landing.

BBC News - Distress call helicopter lands safely in Shetland
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Old 29th Jan 2014, 20:36
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How about a derivation of a military troop-lifting helicopter adapted for other purposes, one that I get to sit in every three weeks or so. But hey, if it's only me that thinks it's unsuitable, what does it matter. What do you guys get to travel offshore in?
Good enough for the troops, but beneath you, is that it?
Are you aware that the Bell 212 (the Huey) and the AB212, and indeed the entire "Huey" family of helicopters, one of the more successful helicopter designs ever built, is a derivation of a military troop lifting helicopter adapted for other purposes?

Bell Huey family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suggest you look into how many hours and how many sorties have been flown by that model of aircraft (the Puma variant in question in this thread) doing just what it does for you on occasion: get folks to and from a rig.

It was built to haul people places.
It hauls people places.
How much more Fit For Purpose can one get, I ask?

(Observations on window and door size appreciated and taken into consideration).
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