Helicopter Rescue: BBC1 10:30pm Tonight
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Helicopter Rescue: BBC1 10:30pm Tonight
Part one of two.
Documentary following RAF Search and Rescue crews in Wales as they carry out their work.
Prince William (or Flt Lt Wales as he is known in the RAF) flies a Sea King to rescue a boy injured in a quarry in Blaenau Ffestiniog, winchman Ed Griffiths braves a snow blizzard to help four stranded students on the perilous ridges of Tryfan, Snowdonia, and a girl meets her rescuers at RAF Valley a year after she was involved in a horrific car crash in Llandrindod Wells.
Documentary following RAF Search and Rescue crews in Wales as they carry out their work.
Prince William (or Flt Lt Wales as he is known in the RAF) flies a Sea King to rescue a boy injured in a quarry in Blaenau Ffestiniog, winchman Ed Griffiths braves a snow blizzard to help four stranded students on the perilous ridges of Tryfan, Snowdonia, and a girl meets her rescuers at RAF Valley a year after she was involved in a horrific car crash in Llandrindod Wells.
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What happens to the Military SAR crews when the civilian side takes over all SAR operations? I'm guessing they will follow over to the civi side aswel!
Try these threads for a start -
http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/444...ost-sar-h.html
http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/511...ew-thread.html
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Enjoyed that. Made me want to do the job again. Haven't had that feeling for years. Well done one and all a very well balanced program. Sparky, I remember your first long range job! Good to see!
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Chopjock - you will find that rather a lot of professional pilots with a military background will give an ETA in minutes rather than a time - you should get out more before you start calling people numpties
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crab,
(ATC) ............. " G - ABCD please state your ETA" (Estimated time of arrival).
(G-ABCD) ... "5 minutes"
I thought the idea was to be clear and concise to avoid any ambiguity.
5 minutes is not a time of arrival. for example it could be mis understood as "minute 5".
When you get asked for your endurance, would you tell them how much fuel you have left, what the capacity of your fuel tank is, how long you can fly for or perhaps guess what information they are after and let them work it out.
ATC is a precise language and is there for a good reason.
(ATC) ............. " G - ABCD please state your ETA" (Estimated time of arrival).
(G-ABCD) ... "5 minutes"
I thought the idea was to be clear and concise to avoid any ambiguity.
5 minutes is not a time of arrival. for example it could be mis understood as "minute 5".
When you get asked for your endurance, would you tell them how much fuel you have left, what the capacity of your fuel tank is, how long you can fly for or perhaps guess what information they are after and let them work it out.
ATC is a precise language and is there for a good reason.
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This is nothing to do with ATC, once you're out on a job, you can deal with all sorts of ground agencies. An ETA of 5 minutes means they don't have to look at a watch/clock, they can judge how much time is left for preparation of the patient/ casualty. If you've never done SAR, the guys on the ground normally wouldn't ask for your endurance, they MAY ask for time left on scene for search etc.
It's normally CG or MRTs, until you're inbound with a casualty, then you would give an ETA as a time, hospitals have time to look at a clock before deciding on an action plan.
It's normally CG or MRTs, until you're inbound with a casualty, then you would give an ETA as a time, hospitals have time to look at a clock before deciding on an action plan.
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Crab, don't tangle with Chopjock, he's a ppl who flies rotary UAV's. 
Chopjock, I'm sorry, very sorry, for thirty years of less than perfect RT, I confess that on occasions I might have said 5 minutes too
Thinks
maybe it's a realhelicopter thing 
Chopjock, I'm sorry, very sorry, for thirty years of less than perfect RT, I confess that on occasions I might have said 5 minutes too
Thinks
maybe it's a realhelicopter thing
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I must agree that " five minutes " is far simpler for someone to take on board in a high stress situation . It may be bad light and they cannot see their watch ..it may have lost time and just be wrong . But hey , who cares !! They get the job done and good on them 
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This was not ATC radio procedure - this was dealing with ground agencies on SAR where telling them 5 minutes is far more valuable than telling them I will be there at 1702 and 30 secs.
As ever, people are happy to criticise what they don't understand. It has nothing to do with not being able to see watches and everything to do with ensuring ground agencies are ready for the arrival of the helicopter.
As ever, people are happy to criticise what they don't understand. It has nothing to do with not being able to see watches and everything to do with ensuring ground agencies are ready for the arrival of the helicopter.
