UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
Originally Posted by [email protected]
How many people with aviation experience in general and SAR aviation experience in particular will he have working there? ...
4 Controllers:
1 x ex-RAF, ex-NATS
1 x ex-Sea King rear crew
2 x RAF ARCC
Operators:
Largely ex-military, many aviation, some civil aviation.
Also:
Manager of ARCC reports to Deputy Chief Coastguard.
Work-up will include a visit to ARCCK and Inverness base in two or three month time.
4 Controllers:
1 x ex-RAF, ex-NATS
1 x ex-Sea King rear crew
2 x RAF ARCC
Operators:
Largely ex-military, many aviation, some civil aviation.
1 x ex-RAF, ex-NATS
1 x ex-Sea King rear crew
2 x RAF ARCC
Operators:
Largely ex-military, many aviation, some civil aviation.
A conversation about this stuff continues. Expecting to understand more about the chain of command, concept of ops and staffing over the next week or two.
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Cave rescue team stop coastgaurd helicopter rolling over
What is wrong with our bloody helicopters
grough ? Team stops Coastguard helicopter rolling over in Ingleborough rescue
grough ? Team stops Coastguard helicopter rolling over in Ingleborough rescue
Embarrassing, but these things happen when you are operating out in the bundu. It could have been worse, they probably made the right decision to shut down rather than risk dynamic rollover which would have written it off.
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Finally - an overseas training sortie for the Mk3A fleet - just a shame it's a few years late and only a one-way ticket
Crab
How is it in any way embarrassing?
You land; you experience vibration; you shut down.
Sounds like a very sound crew decision to me.
As I'm sure you are familiar,(with your vast experience) helicopters by their very design, are very complex pieces of machinery and things can go wrong when you least expect it.
When you say embarrassing are you now suggesting that there are engineering deficiencies in the operating company?Can't think of any other reason for you to describe it as such. Or are you just up to your usual? I'm sure it never ever happened to the RAF.
P3
Embarrassing, but these things happen
You land; you experience vibration; you shut down.
Sounds like a very sound crew decision to me.
As I'm sure you are familiar,(with your vast experience) helicopters by their very design, are very complex pieces of machinery and things can go wrong when you least expect it.
When you say embarrassing are you now suggesting that there are engineering deficiencies in the operating company?Can't think of any other reason for you to describe it as such. Or are you just up to your usual? I'm sure it never ever happened to the RAF.
P3
Last edited by P3 Bellows; 17th Nov 2015 at 17:50. Reason: Punctuation to keep the punctuation Nazis off my back
I'm sure that Crab was merely describing how all we professionals might feel if we had to abort a life saving mission due to a technical fault; especially when equipped with the mighty shining new wondercopter?
The RN never feel embarrassment of course, goes without saying!
The RN never feel embarrassment of course, goes without saying!
Oh dear P3......... that was a Pavlovian response - crab posts, must reply in angry fashion.
As ever reading things into my narrative that just weren't there.
This is the embarrassing bit
Perhaps landing fully on a wet and slippery (and presumably boggy) slope wasn't the best idea when just dropping the rearcrew off for liaison/briefing from light wheel contact might have been an option.
However, you never know when an apparently sound surface is going to give way, especially when a 12-ton helicopter is vibrating on it.
The really embarrassing bit is that it had to be roped to the slope by the people they had come to help.
As ever reading things into my narrative that just weren't there.
This is the embarrassing bit
“Conditions were wet and very windy, which may have caused a fault with the helicopter that then developed a strong vibration and could not take off, having to set down again. The helicopter was on sloping ground and slipped, tilting to one side.
However, you never know when an apparently sound surface is going to give way, especially when a 12-ton helicopter is vibrating on it.
The really embarrassing bit is that it had to be roped to the slope by the people they had come to help.
I think it would be more appropriate to replace 'embarrassing' with 'operational hazard'. Those of us who have operated helicopters for any length of time, especially in demanding environments, know that sh*t happens. SAR involves putting aircraft into situations not normally experienced in most other operations.
Higher risk = higher chance of something going awry.
As the MCA, Navy and RAF have all proved over the years.
It's a bit lame to use this incident as a mud-slinging opportunity. The crew were trying to do their best on a somewhat sh*tty night.
Higher risk = higher chance of something going awry.
As the MCA, Navy and RAF have all proved over the years.
It's a bit lame to use this incident as a mud-slinging opportunity. The crew were trying to do their best on a somewhat sh*tty night.
SAR involves putting aircraft into situations not normally experienced in most other operations.
It was never mudslinging and I qualified my opening word 'Embarrassing' with
but these things happen when you are operating out in the bondu.
I'd be surprised if there were any actual limits for sloping ground in a civilian RFM - maybe a recommendation in the Ops manual.
Anyway, if there were any, they might be about to be reviewed
That S92 is clearly bogged in (in the photo in the other thread).
Maybe the clever counter-rotating weights in the anti-vibration system don't work in the rain
Anyway, if there were any, they might be about to be reviewed
That S92 is clearly bogged in (in the photo in the other thread).Maybe the clever counter-rotating weights in the anti-vibration system don't work in the rain
I'd be surprised if there were any actual limits for sloping ground in a civilian RFM
From Section 1 of the RFM:
Slope landing limits are 10° nose up or down slope, 13° left or right side of the aircraft up slope.