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Old 31st Oct 2015, 22:52
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
How many people with aviation experience in general and SAR aviation experience in particular will he have working there? ...

4 Controllers:
1 x ex-RAF, ex-NATS
1 x ex-Sea King rear crew
2 x RAF ARCC

Operators:
Largely ex-military, many aviation, some civil aviation.



Also:

Manager of ARCC reports to Deputy Chief Coastguard.

Work-up will include a visit to ARCCK and Inverness base in two or three month time.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 11:38
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4 Controllers:
1 x ex-RAF, ex-NATS
1 x ex-Sea King rear crew
2 x RAF ARCC

Operators:
Largely ex-military, many aviation, some civil aviation.
Funny how TG was the only man on the recent training course at Shawbury with any aviation experience whatsoever. Maybe the other skygods destined for the ARCC will be on a separate course?
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 12:21
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Originally Posted by TorqueOfTheDevil View Post
Funny how TG was the only man on the recent training course at Shawbury with any aviation experience whatsoever. Maybe the other skygods destined for the ARCC will be on a separate course?
Also strange how the Shawbury course didn't seem to be on Dougie's radar.



A conversation about this stuff continues. Expecting to understand more about the chain of command, concept of ops and staffing over the next week or two.

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Old 16th Nov 2015, 21:41
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Devil Cave rescue team stop coastgaurd helicopter rolling over

What is wrong with our bloody helicopters

grough ? Team stops Coastguard helicopter rolling over in Ingleborough rescue

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Old 17th Nov 2015, 07:08
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Embarrassing, but these things happen when you are operating out in the bundu. It could have been worse, they probably made the right decision to shut down rather than risk dynamic rollover which would have written it off.
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Old 17th Nov 2015, 14:46
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RAF Sea Kings sold for parts




Norway buys 2 ex RAF Sea kings for parts

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Old 17th Nov 2015, 14:51
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Finally - an overseas training sortie for the Mk3A fleet - just a shame it's a few years late and only a one-way ticket
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Old 17th Nov 2015, 18:47
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Embarrassing, but these things happen
How is it in any way embarrassing?

You land; you experience vibration; you shut down.

Sounds like a very sound crew decision to me.

As I'm sure you are familiar,(with your vast experience) helicopters by their very design, are very complex pieces of machinery and things can go wrong when you least expect it.

When you say embarrassing are you now suggesting that there are engineering deficiencies in the operating company?Can't think of any other reason for you to describe it as such. Or are you just up to your usual? I'm sure it never ever happened to the RAF.

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Old 17th Nov 2015, 20:44
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I'm sure that Crab was merely describing how all we professionals might feel if we had to abort a life saving mission due to a technical fault; especially when equipped with the mighty shining new wondercopter?

The RN never feel embarrassment of course, goes without saying!
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Old 17th Nov 2015, 23:36
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You're way too sensitive. Have you considered anger management?
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Old 17th Nov 2015, 23:52
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You're way too sensitive. Have you considered anger management?
Ggrrrrrrrrrrr
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 00:03
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Have you also considered that there may be a connection between the slope and the vibration?
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 06:52
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Oh dear P3......... that was a Pavlovian response - crab posts, must reply in angry fashion.

As ever reading things into my narrative that just weren't there.

This is the embarrassing bit
“Conditions were wet and very windy, which may have caused a fault with the helicopter that then developed a strong vibration and could not take off, having to set down again. The helicopter was on sloping ground and slipped, tilting to one side.
Perhaps landing fully on a wet and slippery (and presumably boggy) slope wasn't the best idea when just dropping the rearcrew off for liaison/briefing from light wheel contact might have been an option.

However, you never know when an apparently sound surface is going to give way, especially when a 12-ton helicopter is vibrating on it.

The really embarrassing bit is that it had to be roped to the slope by the people they had come to help.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 08:02
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I think it would be more appropriate to replace 'embarrassing' with 'operational hazard'. Those of us who have operated helicopters for any length of time, especially in demanding environments, know that sh*t happens. SAR involves putting aircraft into situations not normally experienced in most other operations.

Higher risk = higher chance of something going awry.

As the MCA, Navy and RAF have all proved over the years.

It's a bit lame to use this incident as a mud-slinging opportunity. The crew were trying to do their best on a somewhat sh*tty night.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 08:06
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SAR involves putting aircraft into situations not normally experienced in most other operations.
I don't think wet and windy is exclusive territory for SAR helos.

It was never mudslinging and I qualified my opening word 'Embarrassing' with
but these things happen when you are operating out in the bondu.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 13:47
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Don't worry Crab I understood what you meant, P3 How about the pilot must have been P****d about his New cab giving trouble so soon, still better over land
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 17:11
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The RN never feel embarrassment of course, goes without saying!
That's because they are too thick skinned to be embarrassed.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 18:45
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Sloping ground limits

Just out of interest, what are the sloping ground limits for the S92? Not having a dig at anyone, just curious.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 19:10
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I'd be surprised if there were any actual limits for sloping ground in a civilian RFM - maybe a recommendation in the Ops manual.

Anyway, if there were any, they might be about to be reviewed That S92 is clearly bogged in (in the photo in the other thread).

Maybe the clever counter-rotating weights in the anti-vibration system don't work in the rain
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 19:38
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I'd be surprised if there were any actual limits for sloping ground in a civilian RFM
WRONG!

From Section 1 of the RFM:
Slope landing limits are 10° nose up or down slope, 13° left or right side of the aircraft up slope.
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