Same again

I have no problem in the crew room, the aircraft or anywhere else Crab. Possibly because the selection team did a good job in recruiting crews for UK SAR and we did not inherit any 'SAR Gods'. We all seem to get along just fine thank you.

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oooohhh so pointed and hurtful back to the playground......

You know they say that if you don't know who the d*ck is in the crewroom......it's you

jimf671

Poor Crab.

He's obviously missing SAR so much.

Al-bert

I spent a very happy and satisfying 22 years flying yellow Wessex and Sea Kings (after two tours of green Wessex). Judging from the 'banter' of late I'm glad I retired when I did - the latest cr@p from certain ex players is pathetic.

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Not if same again is a typical example of the workforce - fortunately I know he isn't

P3 Bellows

Well said. I just think it's all a bit sad really. Probably better to be remembered as a good operator rather than what is portrayed here.

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Albert - perhaps if your posts were constantly met with personal abuse or derogatory comments, you might get a bit bored with it and react in kind since it seems to be the only language some understand here.

I had my say about civilianising SAR and, apart from some reasoned arguments to counter, most of the replies have been unpleasant whether on a personal or professional basis - all from people who don't know me and have never worked with me.

Happy Christmas to all

Same again

Unfortunately you have had your say on numerous occasions which is why you (and not me) are the object of derision in many crew rooms. Anyone who has done the same job for 30+ years needs to be proficient, if not rather good at it, and I have no doubt that you are. But we do not need to hear it time and time again.

You don't fly SAR anymore and it has moved on so you are effectively an armchair expert.

lowfat

Hope this thread dies after 1st jan when there is only civil sar.
A nostalgia Mil Sar thread might be a good idea perhaps with a better karma..
Give it 6 months and people will have forgot there ever was a Mil Sar.
People are fickle.

jimf671

The implementation phase is scheduled to be complete on 1st july 2017.


Between 1st Jan 2016 and then there are four things due to happen.

- AW189 (aka The Westland Affair Mk XIII)

- NVG for Stornoway and Sumburgh ... ...

- GAP to MAIN contract changeover at Lee and Sumburgh (1st Apr 2017) then Stornoway (1st Jul 2017)

- End of service at Portland (30th Jun 2017)

lowfat

thats my point Jim... Its all Civilian...

Perhaps then in the words of the Disney song so people can:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk



Let it go...

jimf671

There are two contracts split between two contractors in a way that means there are effectively three providers under two regulator regimes.

Effectively, this is still almost as much of a very British mess as it was ten years ago.

In Q3 2017 it will be sorted. The first entirely-planned SAR helicopter service for the UK.

Al-bert

great..........what could possibly go wrong?

(It's sar Jim, but not as we know it! )

jimf671

Everything! Which is why 2495 posts might not be quite enough.

ericferret

Watched the link Lowfat not having seen the film. Best thing on this thread!!!!

Al-bert

2495 posts might not be quite enough!

OafOrfUxAche

When was the incident shown in the clip? I can see it was in the northern Cairngorms but I'm not sure if it's a dig at the RAF not being able to attend because their helicopter was broken, or a pop at Bristow for being unable to do night mountains?

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no, it's mostly ex-military which is the only reason it stands a chance of succeeding. But most of those in it agree it will take a couple of years to get to where it needs to be - so much for no lesser service at the point of handover.

zic

John,

FFS put the keyboard down and step away from the computer. Give it up, you are not only tarnishing your own reputation but also that of your former RAF and AAC colleagues. I went for a job interview the other day and mentioned that I was taught to fly the Lynx at SAAvn. The interviewer then asked whether I knew Crab@, and had to spend the next 20 mins extolling the virtues and limitations of military aviation and its relevance to the civilian world.

Thanks champ.

jimf671

Crab, it's not the same. It was never going to be the same no matter what happened.

I would say that it is already of equal value overall through the reliability of the aircraft and the raft of excellent modern kit.

Two or three years from now I fully expect that it will have put all that old fogey yellow rivet-bag stuff completely in the shade. What we, who hugely respect the work that has been done by MilSAR across 60+ years, really do not need during that period is to have you forcing us to cast that service in a negative light when it is just not necessary.

It's over. It was good. It was heroic. It was yet another British military triumph of skill and determination overcoming idiotic bureaucracy and rubbish kit. "The floppy, carbon-based, ape-descended life-forms in the green onesies" made it happen.

Tomorrow is another day. A day of powerful engines, glass cockpits, double winches, computer mission systems, satellite comms, huge downwash, short servicing periods and a decent cab heater.



In 2016, a few things need to happen to ensure that the work of your generation of British military SAR practitioners is not just adequately respected but also competently developed.

• The new incarnation of the Aeronautical Rescue Co-ordination Centre needs to be competent. It won't be the same either. It will have some new fancy kit and new people in a new location. Many of us remain concerned about the change. Of course, like the helicopter service, the old way was good but it wasn't perfect either, and it is only fair that matters related to the new centre are considered in that light.
• The Yeovil/Bristow AW189 needs to get sorted.
• It would be good if the AW189 situation does not distract Bristow from introducing NVG early at the two bases with the most darkness!

In 2017, three bases change contract and one closes.


Beyond 2017, we need to keep making noises about how the next generation of civilian SAR Technical Crew are trained. Should this be a licensed aviation trade?