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Old 4th Oct 2015, 14:48
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Handover completed at 1300 today - good luck
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Old 4th Oct 2015, 18:02
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Blaming the delay on Bristow is not fair or justified.
I think I may frame that....
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Old 4th Oct 2015, 18:44
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I think I may frame that....
Well said 212. Do you think he is trying to make amends?
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Old 4th Oct 2015, 19:16
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Do you think he is trying to make amends?
a bit too late for that methinks!

Just trying to be even handed - There are plenty of things that haven't gone right for the start of this contract, some of which can be laid at Bristow's door, or that of the MCA or the DfT - but this was not their fault.
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 02:38
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I think I may frame that....
Cheaper if we get all 673 copies framed in one production run.
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 09:42
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Chivenor stand down report.
Chivenor Sea King Completes Final RAF UK Operational Sortie
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 09:59
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Nice to see at least one of the support staff got a mention.

Thank you, all who have manned this commitment over the years.

We may never see the like again.

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Old 5th Oct 2015, 18:15
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Video here
https://youtu.be/fdrYddajiAU


Note the report in mmitch's post highlights the activation of a 2nd standby - will we see that in the future?
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 18:48
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Nice video and a good demo of how an ILB transfer should be done!
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Old 10th Oct 2015, 15:10
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Talking of which, Golf India and Invergordon Lifeboat doing 20 knots together along the Cromarty Firth a few minutes ago and GI broken off and now heading SSE (Raigmore?) squawking 0023. 20151010T1508A




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Old 11th Oct 2015, 13:00
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Bristow Inverness:

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...d-rescue-base/

163 jobs in six months.

(Lossiemouth Q2 & Q3, 2014: 121, 2013: 127.)


390 jobs on the Main contract across all bases in spite of late intro of NVG at Inverness and late start at Lydd. The number from Defence Economics at Abbey Wood for 2014 Q2 and Q3 for the predecessor bases was 348. Q2 jobs have been on a slightly reducing trend since 2009.

The use of the term 'taskings' implies that their figure corresponds to the 'callout' numbers from Defence Economics rather than the 'incident' figures which are lower.

Anyway, it looks like CivSAR works.


Next question - Will we ever see proper statistics about UK SAR helicopter work in the future?

Next question - Will CivARCC work?
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Old 11th Oct 2015, 14:12
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Next question - Will CivARCC work?

With the MCA running the show? Your having a laugh!

(Re-arrange the following) 'a, brewery, they, organise, p#$$-up, in a, couldn't'
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Old 11th Oct 2015, 20:46
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Be interesting to see the breakdown of the callouts and how many persons were lifted etc. Also if callouts were generated on the slightest pretext to justify the new service as it seems rather suspicious that Lossie weren't that busy this year up to the handover.
Civsar is a bit of a misnomer, it's more like exMilsarCivsar!
Anyway well done guys it's an excellent start, fly safe.
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Old 11th Oct 2015, 22:56
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Surely MCA wouldn't overegg their number of callouts to justify their new service............
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 01:09
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Originally Posted by Oldsarbouy View Post
Be interesting to see the breakdown of the callouts and how many persons were lifted etc. Also if callouts were generated on the slightest pretext to justify the new service as it seems rather suspicious that Lossie weren't that busy this year up to the handover.
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The Defence Economics (DASA) numbers always had a list for number of incidents and a list for number of callouts. It appears to be the number of callouts for the MCA/BHL numbers in the article.

One might speculate that differences in shift times and other details might affect how aircraft were deployed by ARCC but that would tend to be marginal. There will have been a few where R951 have attended only to be replaced by R177 on the basis of low light capability. Does that count as a job?
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 01:13
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S-92A, G-MCGY and G-MCGZ have recently appeared on the register. Suggestion of GY in Aberdeen and destined for Newquay.

These appear to be aircraft that Bristow originally had on order for offshore use in Louisiana. Just as well everyone in Louisiana is used to being short-changed.
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Any ideas on operating cost comparison between SAR S92 and SAR AW189? I would assume with Bristow now committing to put S92 into 2 of the original planned AW189 bases with the associated set up costs, it might make sense to leave them there and operate with 7 S92 bases with 15 aircraft and (in time) 3 AW189 bases with perhaps just 6 machines. This would also provide a saving on one airframe.
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 12:22
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Since they don't have a single 189 on SAR duties yet, that might be a bit difficult to calculate.
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 12:33
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Yes thank you for your valuable input crab. I think we all know they are not flying them on ops yet

But, unlike in the military, such things can and are calculated as part of any contract development. But of course you knew that too.

Let it go.

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Old 12th Oct 2015, 12:35
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Originally Posted by Spanish Waltzer View Post
Any ideas on operating cost comparison between SAR S92 and SAR AW189? I would assume with Bristow now committing to put S92 into 2 of the original planned AW189 bases with the associated set up costs, it might make sense to leave them there and operate with 7 S92 bases with 15 aircraft and (in time) 3 AW189 bases with perhaps just 6 machines. This would also provide a saving on one airframe.
A couple of problems with that.

It dents the government's effort to turn Westland into a proper commercial civil aviation supplier so not likely to happen.

S-92 is Helibus but AW189 is heli-sports-estate and as such has its uses in craggier corners of the Kingdom.
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