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Old 11th Mar 2013, 08:14
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Depends on the aircraft. The UK's Lynx was cleared to 60mm of rime and 30mm of clear ice.
I know that! My comment/question was related to the possible cause of the mentioned HEMS-crashes.....

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Old 7th Jun 2013, 07:47
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EMS Accident in the USA

Breaking news - Tragic!
Three dead following helicopter crash in Clay County
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 08:34
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EMS Accident in the USA

RIP.

Was it a night flight?
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 08:39
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According to the newsarticle it happened at night!
Time was 11:16pm:
Helicopter crash kills three in Clay County

Type of helicopter?

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Old 7th Jun 2013, 11:36
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 11:46
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 11:57
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Night and low visibility with fog mentioned in some press reports. Also possibly relevant are local power cuts due to downed lines.

3 killed as medical helicopter crashes in elementary school parking lot in Kentucky - U.S. News
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 12:53
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It was probably a Bell 206 or 407.....Air Evac is one of the cheap is good Operators in the business.
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 14:46
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Let's just stick to condolences for the families.
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 15:27
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What a terrible shame.

You have to ask the question: How many more will it take?
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 15:59
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Let's not Tott.....everyone of these tragedies need to be dissected and Lessons Learned published. If that results in exactly one set of eyes being opened and one person changes their ways towards a safer way of operating...then it is a good thing that results.

Yes it is appropriate we offer Condolences but this is not the proper place for that....direct contact with the family, friends, and co-workers, posting to EMS web sites, the company web site, and sending flowers or donations to the charities requested by the family are all the right thing to do.

We all hate to see good folks lost in this business.....but we have to face reality....it is part of the job....all to frequently sadly.
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 17:16
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More News Reports.....


Heavy Fog....hilly terrain....


Ky. Medical Helicopter Crash Kills 3 Crewmembers - ABC News
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 18:54
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SAS, I said let's stick to condolences because there's nothing new about the way these crews kill themselves.
90% or more of the times there's nothing wrong with the aircraft and even though it may be too early to speculate, down deep inside we know or have a feeling for what happened, like too many times before.
A Bell 206L (or any other unstabilized single for what matters) flown at night, possibly in marginal WX conditions is a disaster waiting to happen.
NVGs are not of much help in cases like this.

How many times have we witnessed similar accidents in commercial aviation, only to say "well I am not going to fall for a situation like that" or better yet "Wheew, that was close but now I know better".

As long as the FAA allows this type of operations with this type of aircraft with marginal IFR equipment and crew proficiency training there will be blood. There's no way around it, the US EMS industry is going to remain a widowmaker.

It kills more Americans in the USA than any terror, EVERY YEAR, yet since the real rulers are not the FAA or the NTSB, but the operators who own those two Federal entities and for as long as those CFOs are allowed to value their money over the lives of their employees,there will be blood.

So you all EMS cockpit crews have my condolences, who knows which one of you is next?
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Old 8th Jun 2013, 03:21
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Amen Brother.....you are preaching to the Choir however!
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Old 8th Jun 2013, 07:30
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The operator's fourth fatal in six years, and they've had SIXTEEN accidents since 1997! Why do they even have a 135 certificate at this point? FAA is asleep at the wheel...
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Old 8th Jun 2013, 07:44
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Looks as if they had made the correct decision to land (at the school) rather than push on but clipped wires on the way in. Shame they didn't make the better decision (to stay at the hospital) earlier.

Yes, I know it is speculation.

Very sad waste of lives.
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Old 8th Jun 2013, 12:36
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Sadly....we have had a fully IFR S-76 crash....in the same week we had this VFR Only Crash. Two extremes....identical outcomes.

It is a dangerous business this Helicopter EMS flying at night in bad weather.
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Old 8th Jun 2013, 23:23
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SASless... keep up.... and an Air Methods AS350B3 down last night (Friday) on a training flight at 22:30 hours in Texas...
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Old 9th Jun 2013, 20:11
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No fatals.
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Old 9th Jun 2013, 21:39
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Tottigol,
The NTSB and FAA are owned by the the taxpayer. No operators "own" them.

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