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I think this is a step in the right direction and congratulate Bristow and The Air League for what they are doing. Similar in a way to what Bond did a few years back i believe they achieved good results from their investment.
Obviously only 4 people will benefit from the sponsorship, but thats 4 young people who wont need to dip into their own (or parents) pockets. And im sure the selection process will take the individuals situation into account to capture the right people
Of course there will be some bitter tasting mouths (mine being one of them having just completed my course at BA), but that is life and we just have to suck it up.
I do however disagree with the approach that has been taken by not stating criteria up front and luring people into the membership without the bare facts.
I wish all the applicants the very best and hope the places go to those that wouldnt otherwise be able to pursue this line of career.
LZ
Obviously only 4 people will benefit from the sponsorship, but thats 4 young people who wont need to dip into their own (or parents) pockets. And im sure the selection process will take the individuals situation into account to capture the right people
Of course there will be some bitter tasting mouths (mine being one of them having just completed my course at BA), but that is life and we just have to suck it up.
I do however disagree with the approach that has been taken by not stating criteria up front and luring people into the membership without the bare facts.
I wish all the applicants the very best and hope the places go to those that wouldnt otherwise be able to pursue this line of career.
LZ
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If they are funding these quals then surely they can stipulate the age and academic level required.
Secondly, This is not employment - this is a sponsored training course. So the age definitions under the employment act will not apply. They are also exactly the same limitations as when Bristow ran fully sponsored courses at Redhill.
You will not be paid while under training - probably not even allowances. The first money you get will be when you have started with the company in the UK.
You will not be paid while under training - probably not even allowances. The first money you get will be when you have started with the company in the UK.
You say that the first money they get is when they have started in the company. It does sound as it is training towards a job.
The Air League PDF states:
Those who progress satisfactorily will be offered a career in Bristows.
Bristow just need to find the people they want, and they have the right to do so when they are going to spend in the region of £120k+ on them.
It would be interesting to know if Bristow is standing behind
"Those who progress satisfactorily will be offered a career in Bristows"
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"max 26" and "only UK nationals".
Because all information that can be read is from the Air League. Perhaps Bristow might want the Air League to rectify the information? It's not my business but I just see that it potentially opens up some court cases which could by costly, even though it might pay towards aspiring commercial helicopter pilots for example aged 27+.
Bristow won't discriminate, of course, they are not new to any of this and they understand anti discrimination laws. They know their requirements to fashion Bristow pilots from scratch, they have been doing it for years.
It will just "happen" that all of those selected will meet their exact criteria, it doesn't matter how much anyone whines. The deal is effectively done.
It will just "happen" that all of those selected will meet their exact criteria, it doesn't matter how much anyone whines. The deal is effectively done.
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Bristow won't discriminate, of course, they are not new to any of this and they understand anti discrimination laws.
A company can't "get around" the anti discrimination laws just by letting a recruitment agency do the selection.
It will just "happen" that all of those selected will meet their exact criteria, it doesn't matter how much anyone whines.
Even if this is a rumour network I might want to stress that I'm not accusing anyone of any illegal discrimination. I just don't think that it looks too good from what I read.
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Hire or reward?
Hey guys, new to the forum although I've lurked for a wee while. I'm obviously in the "sour grapes" category here a bit because I'm too old for their requirements.
I'm just wondering what the situation is regarding the free training. Does it fall into the category of hire or reward? After all, the successful candidates are getting their licences (particularly the PPL) free of charge. I was always under the impression that you couldn't do that. At the very least you have to pay for your portion of the flight, ie. 2 seat aircraft; the pilot pays half, 4 seat aircraft; the pilot pays a quarter. (Assuming all seats are occupied)
Forgive me if I'm way off the mark.
Al.
I'm just wondering what the situation is regarding the free training. Does it fall into the category of hire or reward? After all, the successful candidates are getting their licences (particularly the PPL) free of charge. I was always under the impression that you couldn't do that. At the very least you have to pay for your portion of the flight, ie. 2 seat aircraft; the pilot pays half, 4 seat aircraft; the pilot pays a quarter. (Assuming all seats are occupied)
Forgive me if I'm way off the mark.
Al.
Martin, did you come down in the last shower?
Yes they can. Even if you allege, assert or accuse Bristow of acting in a discriminatory fashion, there will be perfectly good technical reasons why candidate x is not successful and candidate y is successful.
Hmmm, I don't think so. Bristow is far too clever to have to pay compensation to some Johnny who thinks they have been discriminated against. They will find that their aptitude or psych test results were unsatisfactory. There is no way that anyone will be able to claim compensation, if they claim it they won't get it.
A company can't "get around" the anti discrimination laws just by letting a recruitment agency do the selection.
What normally happens is that the company gets who they want but need to compensate those who might have been illegally discriminated against.
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"industry insider", you seem to know as much about how law is practiced as someone knows how to fly a helicopter who can barely hover.
I'm not going to continue a discussion with someone who alludes that a company blatantly ignores rules and regulations put upon them.
I'm not going to continue a discussion with someone who alludes that a company blatantly ignores rules and regulations put upon them.
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Heli aerodynamics is a tricky ( for me! ) subject and should require good Maths / Physics A levels.
That's good Martin because you are, as your handle says, living in the milky way with the fairies and not here on planet earth.
One doesn't need to be a lawyer to know that Bristow will recruit the candidates they want, who, strangely enough will closely resemble the selection criteria. Those that meet the criteria need not apply. There won't be any grounds for claiming discrimination, those clever Bristow employment lawyers will see to that.
One doesn't need to be a lawyer to know that Bristow will recruit the candidates they want, who, strangely enough will closely resemble the selection criteria. Those that meet the criteria need not apply. There won't be any grounds for claiming discrimination, those clever Bristow employment lawyers will see to that.
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I'm just wondering what the situation is regarding the free training. Does it fall into the category of hire or reward? After all, the successful candidates are getting their licences (particularly the PPL) free of charge. I was always under the impression that you couldn't do that.
That's good Martin because you are, as your handle says, living in the milky way with the fairies and not here on planet earth.
I stick to my "not going to continue a discussion" so I won't reply to your content. I do, however, hope that you are not in charge of any sort of aircraft maintenance department and practicing the same "as long as we think we can get away with it we do it our way" approach.
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Martin, II is probably correct. There will be so many parts to the selection that any candidate will be able to be excluded at just about any phase of the process on any one or more of a list of legitimate reasons.
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Generally when it comes to illegal discrimination regarding employment it could be hard to prove and alot of cases are probably never detected. The legislators know that finding proof could be difficult. That is why the burden of proof could be transferred to the employer if the applicant/employee could produce some evidence of discrimination. An ad stating illegal discriminating grounds could be such evidence.
More information about the "Burden of proof in discrimination cases" could be read in the following article.
Times Higher Education - Burden of proof in discrimination cases
More information about the "Burden of proof in discrimination cases" could be read in the following article.
Times Higher Education - Burden of proof in discrimination cases
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Heli aerodynamics is a tricky ( for me! ) subject and should require good Maths / Physics A levels.
Tell that to the many ex-AAC helicopter pilots flying around the world without an 'O' level to their name.
As already mentioned in the thread, anybody with a PPL is over-qualified. They won't even take into account I didn't fly for 3 years after completing my licence due to being back at College.
They suggested in the email reply that I apply for the Flying Bursary. I went onto the Website to look at the requirements and it states applicants need to hold a CAA Issued PPL. I told them I hold a FAA License, but they still said in the reply I am eligible for the Flying Bursary. So I don't know what the hell is going on with these requirements. They really need to update that Website and get the proper Information up. I won't be bothering them anymore.
Good luck to the rest of the applicants!
They suggested in the email reply that I apply for the Flying Bursary. I went onto the Website to look at the requirements and it states applicants need to hold a CAA Issued PPL. I told them I hold a FAA License, but they still said in the reply I am eligible for the Flying Bursary. So I don't know what the hell is going on with these requirements. They really need to update that Website and get the proper Information up. I won't be bothering them anymore.
Good luck to the rest of the applicants!