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Old 24th Nov 2012, 01:20
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I think this is a step in the right direction and congratulate Bristow and The Air League for what they are doing. Similar in a way to what Bond did a few years back i believe they achieved good results from their investment.

Obviously only 4 people will benefit from the sponsorship, but thats 4 young people who wont need to dip into their own (or parents) pockets. And im sure the selection process will take the individuals situation into account to capture the right people

Of course there will be some bitter tasting mouths (mine being one of them having just completed my course at BA), but that is life and we just have to suck it up.

I do however disagree with the approach that has been taken by not stating criteria up front and luring people into the membership without the bare facts.

I wish all the applicants the very best and hope the places go to those that wouldnt otherwise be able to pursue this line of career.

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Old 24th Nov 2012, 07:59
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LZ - hopefully the 4 is just the start. I do agree about the hidden requirements, however this whole process is being handled by the Air League, not Bristow.
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No wonder all the aircraft are in the hangar
Most of 'em are!
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Old 24th Nov 2012, 23:14
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If they are funding these quals then surely they can stipulate the age and academic level required.
Isn't that the purpose of anti discrimination laws - especially for good offers? Nobody tends to care about the not so good offers.

Secondly, This is not employment - this is a sponsored training course. So the age definitions under the employment act will not apply. They are also exactly the same limitations as when Bristow ran fully sponsored courses at Redhill.
You will not be paid while under training - probably not even allowances. The first money you get will be when you have started with the company in the UK.
When were the sponsered courses at Redhill? Legislation changes and anti discriminatory legislation regarding age is relatively new and regarding citizenship a little bit older. At least EU/EEA citizenships shouldn't be discriminated against.

You say that the first money they get is when they have started in the company. It does sound as it is training towards a job.

The Air League PDF states:
Those who progress satisfactorily will be offered a career in Bristows.
Ok, it's clear I would say. Training towards a job.

Bristow just need to find the people they want, and they have the right to do so when they are going to spend in the region of £120k+ on them.
So essentially you are saying that if a company pays alot of money they are allowed to choose only white males or black females for that matter? I thought that was a thing of the past.

It would be interesting to know if Bristow is standing behind

"Those who progress satisfactorily will be offered a career in Bristows"

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"max 26" and "only UK nationals".

Because all information that can be read is from the Air League. Perhaps Bristow might want the Air League to rectify the information? It's not my business but I just see that it potentially opens up some court cases which could by costly, even though it might pay towards aspiring commercial helicopter pilots for example aged 27+.
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Old 24th Nov 2012, 23:37
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Bristow won't discriminate, of course, they are not new to any of this and they understand anti discrimination laws. They know their requirements to fashion Bristow pilots from scratch, they have been doing it for years.

It will just "happen" that all of those selected will meet their exact criteria, it doesn't matter how much anyone whines. The deal is effectively done.
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 00:06
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Bristow won't discriminate, of course, they are not new to any of this and they understand anti discrimination laws.
It doesn't really matter if they do it on their own or instruct anyone else to discriminate. If the recruitment agency (in this case The Air League) on their own has stipulated requirements that are against the anti discrimination laws then Bristow should ask them to rectify the information as soon as they become aware of it. At least that's my understanding.

A company can't "get around" the anti discrimination laws just by letting a recruitment agency do the selection.

It will just "happen" that all of those selected will meet their exact criteria, it doesn't matter how much anyone whines.
What normally happens is that the company gets who they want but need to compensate those who might have been illegally discriminated against.


Even if this is a rumour network I might want to stress that I'm not accusing anyone of any illegal discrimination. I just don't think that it looks too good from what I read.
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 08:35
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Hire or reward?

Hey guys, new to the forum although I've lurked for a wee while. I'm obviously in the "sour grapes" category here a bit because I'm too old for their requirements.

I'm just wondering what the situation is regarding the free training. Does it fall into the category of hire or reward? After all, the successful candidates are getting their licences (particularly the PPL) free of charge. I was always under the impression that you couldn't do that. At the very least you have to pay for your portion of the flight, ie. 2 seat aircraft; the pilot pays half, 4 seat aircraft; the pilot pays a quarter. (Assuming all seats are occupied)

Forgive me if I'm way off the mark.

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Old 25th Nov 2012, 08:45
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Martin, did you come down in the last shower?

A company can't "get around" the anti discrimination laws just by letting a recruitment agency do the selection.
Yes they can. Even if you allege, assert or accuse Bristow of acting in a discriminatory fashion, there will be perfectly good technical reasons why candidate x is not successful and candidate y is successful.

What normally happens is that the company gets who they want but need to compensate those who might have been illegally discriminated against.
Hmmm, I don't think so. Bristow is far too clever to have to pay compensation to some Johnny who thinks they have been discriminated against. They will find that their aptitude or psych test results were unsatisfactory. There is no way that anyone will be able to claim compensation, if they claim it they won't get it.
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 09:21
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"industry insider", you seem to know as much about how law is practiced as someone knows how to fly a helicopter who can barely hover.

I'm not going to continue a discussion with someone who alludes that a company blatantly ignores rules and regulations put upon them.
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 10:16
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Heli aerodynamics is a tricky ( for me! ) subject and should require good Maths / Physics A levels.
Tell that to the many ex-AAC helicopter pilots flying around the world without an 'O' level to their name.
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 10:30
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That's good Martin because you are, as your handle says, living in the milky way with the fairies and not here on planet earth.

One doesn't need to be a lawyer to know that Bristow will recruit the candidates they want, who, strangely enough will closely resemble the selection criteria. Those that meet the criteria need not apply. There won't be any grounds for claiming discrimination, those clever Bristow employment lawyers will see to that.

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Old 25th Nov 2012, 11:12
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I'm just wondering what the situation is regarding the free training. Does it fall into the category of hire or reward? After all, the successful candidates are getting their licences (particularly the PPL) free of charge. I was always under the impression that you couldn't do that.
You are allowed to receive compensation for receiving flight training. You are not normally allowed to work with a PPL, e.g. flying for hire. Interesting twist though, "I am not flying for renumeration, those passengers are only paying me to further my flying skills".

That's good Martin because you are, as your handle says, living in the milky way with the fairies and not here on planet earth.
Last time I checked planet earth was a part of the Milky Way, as much as the UK is a part of the EU whether you like it or not.

I stick to my "not going to continue a discussion" so I won't reply to your content. I do, however, hope that you are not in charge of any sort of aircraft maintenance department and practicing the same "as long as we think we can get away with it we do it our way" approach.
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 12:01
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Martin, II is probably correct. There will be so many parts to the selection that any candidate will be able to be excluded at just about any phase of the process on any one or more of a list of legitimate reasons.
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 14:10
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Generally when it comes to illegal discrimination regarding employment it could be hard to prove and alot of cases are probably never detected. The legislators know that finding proof could be difficult. That is why the burden of proof could be transferred to the employer if the applicant/employee could produce some evidence of discrimination. An ad stating illegal discriminating grounds could be such evidence.

More information about the "Burden of proof in discrimination cases" could be read in the following article.

Times Higher Education - Burden of proof in discrimination cases
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 17:50
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Heli aerodynamics is a tricky ( for me! ) subject and should require good Maths / Physics A levels.
Tell that to the many ex-AAC helicopter pilots flying around the world without an 'O' level to their name.
The answer's quite simple. Many of them fly, they just don't understand how.
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 19:16
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Quite right. If they had any idea how they did stay in the air they probably wouldn't want to fly them
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 22:10
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The Bond is for over 20 years

The age limit of 26 (Pilot would be 28 when they begin Bond) has come from the accountants!
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Old 25th Nov 2012, 23:06
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Who is going to sign up to a 20 year bond?
You married ?
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Old 26th Nov 2012, 09:41
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As already mentioned in the thread, anybody with a PPL is over-qualified. They won't even take into account I didn't fly for 3 years after completing my licence due to being back at College.

They suggested in the email reply that I apply for the Flying Bursary. I went onto the Website to look at the requirements and it states applicants need to hold a CAA Issued PPL. I told them I hold a FAA License, but they still said in the reply I am eligible for the Flying Bursary. So I don't know what the hell is going on with these requirements. They really need to update that Website and get the proper Information up. I won't be bothering them anymore.

Good luck to the rest of the applicants!
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Old 30th Nov 2012, 20:41
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20 year bond is b***ocks

This is rubbish. 20 year bond wouldnt stand up in court.

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