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As Sasless says, plenty of idiots out there and who knows what was the case here.
One day when we were talking about teh cars aboriginals drive and how they never seem to stop because they drive them steady An ex copper mate of mine reckoned they stop real easy usually after only a couple of hundred yards with a heavy loaded point 45 fired from point blank into the engine block.
very easy to drop a few into teh engine bay from a helicopter, even from behind if they are trying to shoot back.
Then there is the other side, two cases here where some of our Southern police forces must forever be holding their heads in shame (dammit that word again).
First case was the poor slightly disturbed Frenchman armed with only a kitchen knife and standing right out in the open on Bondi Beach and two great muscle bound police uniformed buffoons could not even be smart enough to kick sand in his eyes but shot him dead.
Second case just the other day an otherwise great young Brazilian kid was tasered to death mostly after about half a platoon of muscle bound thugs, in police uniform again, ran him down and had him smothered on the ground. His only crime, got a bit hooched up, got on the fang and snitched a packet of biscuits from a local store.
Learning how to use weapons is one thing, learning restraint is quite another or even being smart with them.
One day when we were talking about teh cars aboriginals drive and how they never seem to stop because they drive them steady An ex copper mate of mine reckoned they stop real easy usually after only a couple of hundred yards with a heavy loaded point 45 fired from point blank into the engine block.
very easy to drop a few into teh engine bay from a helicopter, even from behind if they are trying to shoot back.
Then there is the other side, two cases here where some of our Southern police forces must forever be holding their heads in shame (dammit that word again).
First case was the poor slightly disturbed Frenchman armed with only a kitchen knife and standing right out in the open on Bondi Beach and two great muscle bound police uniformed buffoons could not even be smart enough to kick sand in his eyes but shot him dead.
Second case just the other day an otherwise great young Brazilian kid was tasered to death mostly after about half a platoon of muscle bound thugs, in police uniform again, ran him down and had him smothered on the ground. His only crime, got a bit hooched up, got on the fang and snitched a packet of biscuits from a local store.
Learning how to use weapons is one thing, learning restraint is quite another or even being smart with them.
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TET.....in the case of the guy with a knife....the Police were very correct in using Deadly Force. Generally.....a guy with a knife can hurt you very badly if you let him get within 20 feet of you and you do not have a drawn weapon. To try to over power him and disarm him is patently stupid. A few reasons why this is so....this Cop went with Plan B....disarming the guy with the knife. Rest assured....this Cop will always without fail refer to Plan A in the future. Plan A is the Perp drops the knife or he gets shot.
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In this area, police officers have to assume anyone they stop is carrying drugs. Way too many officers have been shot and/or killed when stopping drug runners. At times it seems that the flags at law enforcement agencies are permanently set at half-staff.
The cartels use illegal aliens to run drugs across the border, so many times an illegal alien stop will produce drugs in distribution quantity. In this country fleeing from peace officers is a felony. For just being illegal aliens, there was no need to run. All immigration will do is hold them for a few days. Where they get 3 hots and a cot, in safe conditions. Then they are sent back south. From what I have been told, most illegal aliens will stop when challenged by officers. So these illegals running sent a different message to officers.
As for these officers,they were within agency policy. It appears they shot the engine. The dead died due to the crash. Since the driver decided to run, the deaths are legally his responsibility. They died directly due to his commission of a felony.
The cartels use illegal aliens to run drugs across the border, so many times an illegal alien stop will produce drugs in distribution quantity. In this country fleeing from peace officers is a felony. For just being illegal aliens, there was no need to run. All immigration will do is hold them for a few days. Where they get 3 hots and a cot, in safe conditions. Then they are sent back south. From what I have been told, most illegal aliens will stop when challenged by officers. So these illegals running sent a different message to officers.
As for these officers,they were within agency policy. It appears they shot the engine. The dead died due to the crash. Since the driver decided to run, the deaths are legally his responsibility. They died directly due to his commission of a felony.
Nice pictures SASless
Picture one does appear to be slashes by an untrained idiot, albeit that we rarely see such long wounds of constant and non lethal depth except in the case of torture and drug related
But the other two pictures show wounds most likely carried out by a skilled surgeon. Wish my trainees could do it that well!!!!!
Don't believe everything you see
Picture one does appear to be slashes by an untrained idiot, albeit that we rarely see such long wounds of constant and non lethal depth except in the case of torture and drug related
But the other two pictures show wounds most likely carried out by a skilled surgeon. Wish my trainees could do it that well!!!!!
Don't believe everything you see
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Homo....you are full of crap Mate.....this came from official police channels the first time I saw it. It was in the form of a Training Circular.
I am afraid it is you that knows naught of this. So do move on will you.
Aucky....the ol' shoot'em in the hand....leg....arm....finger....only works in the movies. When you elect to use "Deadlly Force" you shoot at the biggest part with every hope of getting a good hit and put the guy down. Wounded or dead no matter....just incapacitate him as quickly as possible with the minimum risk to everyone else but the Perp.
I am afraid it is you that knows naught of this. So do move on will you.
Aucky....the ol' shoot'em in the hand....leg....arm....finger....only works in the movies. When you elect to use "Deadlly Force" you shoot at the biggest part with every hope of getting a good hit and put the guy down. Wounded or dead no matter....just incapacitate him as quickly as possible with the minimum risk to everyone else but the Perp.
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Ah I see SASless
Coming from an official police video means it must be true!
I was just having a light hearted banter and pointing out that one and possibly two of your pictures were of surgical incisions not knife attacks. You do seem a little sensitive.
Why it get back on the subject - the DPS face levels of violence rarely seen elsewhere in the western world. I suspect this particular action was not authorised - it certainly wasn't when I was there - but as most car chases involve armed occupants and frequently drugs the officer's response needs to be considered in the light of this
Coming from an official police video means it must be true!
I was just having a light hearted banter and pointing out that one and possibly two of your pictures were of surgical incisions not knife attacks. You do seem a little sensitive.
Why it get back on the subject - the DPS face levels of violence rarely seen elsewhere in the western world. I suspect this particular action was not authorised - it certainly wasn't when I was there - but as most car chases involve armed occupants and frequently drugs the officer's response needs to be considered in the light of this
Rick1128,
I appreciate your willingness to give the officers in this case the benefit of the doubt, too often it goes the other way, but in reference to a few of your statements:
Sometimes aliens and dope are moved together, but it's the exception, not the rule.
Aliens don't just give up when chased. They almost ALWAYS run. The idea that "if they evade, it must be drugs" is completely false.
The deaths were not caused by vehicle crash as you state. They were shot. If the officer was attempting to shoot tires/engine, he missed, and hit bodies.
It is my understanding that DPS Use of Force Policy allows airborne disabling fire to stop fleeing vehicles. What I'm uncertain of and I believe will be a major focus of the investigation in this case, is what ACTUAL THREAT did the vehicle in this case at that time, pose to the public or pursuing officers. I won't speculate on that, since I wasn't there.
Yes the Guatemalans in the back of that truck broke the law by illegally entering the US. But do we want America to be a place where if you jump across the fence or swim the river, you can be shot on sight?
I think at the very least DPS will be revising their Use of Force Policy in the near future.
I appreciate your willingness to give the officers in this case the benefit of the doubt, too often it goes the other way, but in reference to a few of your statements:
Sometimes aliens and dope are moved together, but it's the exception, not the rule.
Aliens don't just give up when chased. They almost ALWAYS run. The idea that "if they evade, it must be drugs" is completely false.
The deaths were not caused by vehicle crash as you state. They were shot. If the officer was attempting to shoot tires/engine, he missed, and hit bodies.
It is my understanding that DPS Use of Force Policy allows airborne disabling fire to stop fleeing vehicles. What I'm uncertain of and I believe will be a major focus of the investigation in this case, is what ACTUAL THREAT did the vehicle in this case at that time, pose to the public or pursuing officers. I won't speculate on that, since I wasn't there.
Yes the Guatemalans in the back of that truck broke the law by illegally entering the US. But do we want America to be a place where if you jump across the fence or swim the river, you can be shot on sight?
I think at the very least DPS will be revising their Use of Force Policy in the near future.
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Obama authorizes the dispatch of American Citizens by Drone Attacks in Yemen and other countries without any trial or due process.....so why not pop a few Illegals?
Once we god down the slope of condoning the killing of citizens by the Federal Government ala Waco and Ruby Ridge.....now the Drone Attacks....where do we draw the line?
Once we god down the slope of condoning the killing of citizens by the Federal Government ala Waco and Ruby Ridge.....now the Drone Attacks....where do we draw the line?
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DPS spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger confirmed a DPS officer opened fire during the pursuit north of La Joya, but had no information as to whether the officer shot anyone inside the evading vehicle.
“We do not want to speculate on any other issues at this time and have no further information,” Cesinger said in the email.
However, law enforcement sources said troopers found three people shot inside once the smuggler’s vehicle stopped along Farm-to-Market Road 2221 near Mile 7 Road. Two of the suspected illegal immigrants died from their injuries, they said.
“This is going to get big really, really fast,” a local law enforcement official said of the DPS incident. “You have a law enforcement official shooting at an unarmed alien. This is not an excuse for deadly force.”
Cesinger confirmed two people were dead. She said a third person was sent to an area hospital for treatment, while six others were arrested.
I look forward to seeing the killer convicted and jailed.
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No worries Sas,
I've been busy elsewhere but have no truk with criticizing the boys in blue per-SE, however there are horses for courses and unfortunately for those at Bondi with the French man, the whole situation was portrayed in widely published cell phone images. One could clearly see the vacant beach, a lonely, troubled, solitary soul whose limited physical dexterity was there for all to see and something a lot less than an experienced knife-hand being confronted in a tight space. In that circumstance then quite obviously a serious peace maker may be called for, but not the french article.
When I was at AirLog at Long Beach in about 1980, we had interesting talks with some of the police helicopter pilots and troopers who used to be based next door.
Some of these dudes had just done an "Angel Dust" course (which as a socially used drug was only quite new) and had some frightening stories about the drug. One tale related how an officer by himself had approached a suspect before anything was known about procedures to do so and apart from being thrown about twenty meters thru a plate glass shop front window was seriously 'going down' before he resorted to the sidearm, which took seven slugs and only the final loss ol blood to slow his assailant down. A remarkable story in itself but the sick twist was the fact that the assailant's aggrieved mother was pursuing the officer with a writ for one million bucks for, "Dereliction of Duty". I never heard the result.
But more particularly if I may impose upon the indulgence of the mods for just a little more I would like to post links to a couple of stories that are being circulated on only social media both here and America as we believe. Firstly there is a sickening article about the Benghazi "affair". A case for impeachment if ever there was is the opinion in this house.
Secondly, I also wish to convey my humble respect for those on duty during your recent little 'light breeze and light rain', at the tomb of the unknown soldier where the adage might be coined that once in uniform as either a GI or the C in C it's supposed to be on your toes at all times. Note the quips in the comments about the bayonets, relating to an Obama gaff, oh and the one about the boats, jeeeesus.There are other links in the story re Benghazi.
Other links to the Benghazi story can be found on PJ Media. and the Gateway pundit esp. comments 22 & 24.
All the best for your upcoming elections, we're rooting for the double R connection, most impressed with Ryan's economic management skills.Be interested to hear accountant Whirl's comments on that.
Regards tet
I've been busy elsewhere but have no truk with criticizing the boys in blue per-SE, however there are horses for courses and unfortunately for those at Bondi with the French man, the whole situation was portrayed in widely published cell phone images. One could clearly see the vacant beach, a lonely, troubled, solitary soul whose limited physical dexterity was there for all to see and something a lot less than an experienced knife-hand being confronted in a tight space. In that circumstance then quite obviously a serious peace maker may be called for, but not the french article.
When I was at AirLog at Long Beach in about 1980, we had interesting talks with some of the police helicopter pilots and troopers who used to be based next door.
Some of these dudes had just done an "Angel Dust" course (which as a socially used drug was only quite new) and had some frightening stories about the drug. One tale related how an officer by himself had approached a suspect before anything was known about procedures to do so and apart from being thrown about twenty meters thru a plate glass shop front window was seriously 'going down' before he resorted to the sidearm, which took seven slugs and only the final loss ol blood to slow his assailant down. A remarkable story in itself but the sick twist was the fact that the assailant's aggrieved mother was pursuing the officer with a writ for one million bucks for, "Dereliction of Duty". I never heard the result.
But more particularly if I may impose upon the indulgence of the mods for just a little more I would like to post links to a couple of stories that are being circulated on only social media both here and America as we believe. Firstly there is a sickening article about the Benghazi "affair". A case for impeachment if ever there was is the opinion in this house.
Secondly, I also wish to convey my humble respect for those on duty during your recent little 'light breeze and light rain', at the tomb of the unknown soldier where the adage might be coined that once in uniform as either a GI or the C in C it's supposed to be on your toes at all times. Note the quips in the comments about the bayonets, relating to an Obama gaff, oh and the one about the boats, jeeeesus.There are other links in the story re Benghazi.
Other links to the Benghazi story can be found on PJ Media. and the Gateway pundit esp. comments 22 & 24.
All the best for your upcoming elections, we're rooting for the double R connection, most impressed with Ryan's economic management skills.Be interested to hear accountant Whirl's comments on that.
Regards tet
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I note that rick was right, most of you foreigners were wrong.
I am not surprised at how the ignorant spoke out regarding something they know little to nothing about. We stopped going to the border region, my family and I, about five years ago. That part of Texas has simply become too dangerous, in no small part due to the illegal immigrants, many of whom are desperate people, the back and forth movements of drug runners and "kidnap for pay" bandits, and various combinations of the above. Back when I was in my 20's, a road trip to Laredo was a fun weekend. Not anymore.
Caveat and accomodation: most of us, me included, can only know part of the story since all we have available is the thin pizza pie slice of a news report, or a series of them. The few people who actually work in that environment tend to have a deeper understanding of what's behind a given event.
FWIW
I am not surprised at how the ignorant spoke out regarding something they know little to nothing about. We stopped going to the border region, my family and I, about five years ago. That part of Texas has simply become too dangerous, in no small part due to the illegal immigrants, many of whom are desperate people, the back and forth movements of drug runners and "kidnap for pay" bandits, and various combinations of the above. Back when I was in my 20's, a road trip to Laredo was a fun weekend. Not anymore.
Caveat and accomodation: most of us, me included, can only know part of the story since all we have available is the thin pizza pie slice of a news report, or a series of them. The few people who actually work in that environment tend to have a deeper understanding of what's behind a given event.
FWIW
Walk in the park compared to this:
Brazilian police helicopter shoots at car during chase - video | World news | theguardian.com
The further south you go - the greater the risk of being shot up...it seems
Brazilian police helicopter shoots at car during chase - video | World news | theguardian.com
The further south you go - the greater the risk of being shot up...it seems
