Bell 525 Relentless
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From: Downeast
Knowing the "Greenies" I was burdened with....this is going to be a Dog's Breakfast!
Unless the system is self diagnosing and has a big pink finger to point out the ailing module....then maybe things will work out.
Unless the system is self diagnosing and has a big pink finger to point out the ailing module....then maybe things will work out.
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From: Ventura Ca U.S.A.
It won't look anything like the mockup. It will be a pain when it thinks for the pilot & surprizes him with an Auto Auto in to the ground.
#1 rule keep it simple stupid.
#2 rule let the military pay for R & D.
Certification will be a bitch.
#1 rule keep it simple stupid.
#2 rule let the military pay for R & D.
Certification will be a bitch.
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From: The Alps
Was standing near the front and got video footage though slightly disappointed by the music! Lol
Very interesting to millennium falcon style cockpit revolving seats but was genuinely impressed with the design and yes I thought at first some similarity to the 214st but was proven wrong.
Relentless by Name Relentless by Nature can see that a lot of hard work has gone into this
Round 2 tomorrow!
Cheers
Very interesting to millennium falcon style cockpit revolving seats
but was genuinely impressed with the design and yes I thought at first some similarity to the 214st but was proven wrong. Relentless by Name Relentless by Nature can see that a lot of hard work has gone into this
Round 2 tomorrow!
Cheers
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From: PPRuNe
Well praise the Lord!
If she flies as good as she looks....she will be a winner.
But....the proof is in the pudding as they say!
Somebody...quick...tell me about the pilot seats....they going to be as comfortable as a 2x10 plank? Do the Pilot access doors latch open or do you still have to use your foot to hold the things open? Do the doors open a full 180 degrees or only half way?
If she flies as good as she looks....she will be a winner.
But....the proof is in the pudding as they say!
Somebody...quick...tell me about the pilot seats....they going to be as comfortable as a 2x10 plank? Do the Pilot access doors latch open or do you still have to use your foot to hold the things open? Do the doors open a full 180 degrees or only half way?
But hey, what do we know
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From: ...in view of the 'Southern Cross' ...
Mmmm ....
A good effort from the Bell folk ...
I think though that Agusta still have the front run with their 189 ....
Those that are familiar with the 139/189 can see how very easy it will be to put 'fly by wire' into those airframes as a natural development ....
I won't see it (probably a good thing) as my 'useby' is rapidly approaching but others will ....
The Bell advantage as always will be SUPPORT of their product ...
A good effort from the Bell folk ...
I think though that Agusta still have the front run with their 189 ....
Those that are familiar with the 139/189 can see how very easy it will be to put 'fly by wire' into those airframes as a natural development ....
I won't see it (probably a good thing
) as my 'useby' is rapidly approaching but others will ....The Bell advantage as always will be SUPPORT of their product ...
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From: At home
From how the controls looks like, and it being fly-by-wire it must be an easy transition from a newish excavator..... but then again those skilled operators, may not want to take a paycut associated with the career move....
Is this a result of Mr. Lappos's involvement with Bell?? Sure looks like a 76, and didn't the RAH-66 have fly-by-wire....
Is this a result of Mr. Lappos's involvement with Bell?? Sure looks like a 76, and didn't the RAH-66 have fly-by-wire....
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From: Canada
I don't see the 76 resemblance... Granted it's pointy at the front, has a tail rotor and some windows, but that's where the resemblance ends for me...
I think it's closer to the AW products if anything but the cockpit looks better with the big side windows...
I think it's closer to the AW products if anything but the cockpit looks better with the big side windows...
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From: Tax-land.
Kuros to SP pointers, I'd like to add that for a helicopter (of any size) those swiveling seats seem to be an awful lot of wasted space, more like a show off.
The specs in the web site do not really knock my socks off so to speak: the 189 already does 16 pax, 400nm plus and 150 Kts cruise.
Good luck in certifying the very first CIVILIAN FBW in a helicopter.
"Auto Auto" ... with a female voice
The specs in the web site do not really knock my socks off so to speak: the 189 already does 16 pax, 400nm plus and 150 Kts cruise.
Good luck in certifying the very first CIVILIAN FBW in a helicopter.
"Auto Auto" ... with a female voice
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From: Downeast
Gee....no Pilot Access doors...hmmmm odd thing that. The Captain is supposed to be the last person off a sinking ship right? "After you Bubba! Now Coey...do let the nice Man go first as he is a passenger, Lad!"
With itty bitty tires like the ones on the mockup....no risk of this thing ever working off other than steel decks or paved aprons, taxi ways, and runways.
Even then...it will take a strong deck to support all that weight on such a small footprint.
How's the gear doors going to like lots of mud and snow stuffed into them?
I know Bell has thought of all this as they put this concept together....right?
With itty bitty tires like the ones on the mockup....no risk of this thing ever working off other than steel decks or paved aprons, taxi ways, and runways.
Even then...it will take a strong deck to support all that weight on such a small footprint.
How's the gear doors going to like lots of mud and snow stuffed into them?
I know Bell has thought of all this as they put this concept together....right?
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From: Downeast
Jeff....think companionways on big helicopters.
76's have an unusual use for pilot doors too....but having to swivel yer chair around to exit the cockpit? May we assume the side window will be jettison able thus providing an emergency exit? That would be logical.
76's have an unusual use for pilot doors too....but having to swivel yer chair around to exit the cockpit? May we assume the side window will be jettison able thus providing an emergency exit? That would be logical.
