UK NPAS discussion: thread Mk 2
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Has it been said that CRTP will go?
After hearing the phrase 'best job in the force' about 4 times today, I would be interested to hear how much the choice of staying on an air unit is worth, against going back on the streets.
After hearing the phrase 'best job in the force' about 4 times today, I would be interested to hear how much the choice of staying on an air unit is worth, against going back on the streets.
If this pay review for ASU observers goes ahead and they don't become eligible for it, what pay scale does that put a new police observer on?
And won't this bring the salary dangerously close to a civvy tantalising package?
If this whole episode isn't handled correctly an ASU could theoretically end up with civvy Obs and low paid contract pilots...mmmmmm now where is that SMS powerpoint?
And won't this bring the salary dangerously close to a civvy tantalising package?
If this whole episode isn't handled correctly an ASU could theoretically end up with civvy Obs and low paid contract pilots...mmmmmm now where is that SMS powerpoint?
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Don't think it will matter who pilots/crews/passengers in the aircraft at any wage if thay can't be in the right place at the right time. 2 aircraft to cover 8000 sq miles (nautical) just cannot be 20 minutes from everywhere when both get drawn to the busy corner of the area early in the shift. Inevitably the next request is from the county now furthest away who understandably are pretty upset to find that we're 45 minutes flying time away and need to add 20 minutes to that to get to base for fuel because everyone else has closed.
Which force is going to pay for that sort of response?
Which force is going to pay for that sort of response?
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Too much credence is put on "warranted powers".
It's the tool the police uses to cut jobs when it wants.
Warranted powers are only ever referring to actual arrests. So under that logic you could chop almost every detective constable in the force, virtually every sergeant, and definitely every inspector and above....
It's the tool the police uses to cut jobs when it wants.
Warranted powers are only ever referring to actual arrests. So under that logic you could chop almost every detective constable in the force, virtually every sergeant, and definitely every inspector and above....
As the witching hour draws near it has been pointed out to me that MAGPAS the 'ride-along' medics who fly with Cambridgeshire Police are expecting a new mount.
According to the Hunts Press website of the 28th 'The emergency medical charity is expecting the delivery will happen next week and until then a Royal Air Force (RAF) search and rescue helicopter will pick up Helimedix teams from the RAF Wyton based and fly them to the scene of an emergency.'
Last I heard of MAGPAS they were claiming to be skint.....
According to the Hunts Press website of the 28th 'The emergency medical charity is expecting the delivery will happen next week and until then a Royal Air Force (RAF) search and rescue helicopter will pick up Helimedix teams from the RAF Wyton based and fly them to the scene of an emergency.'
Last I heard of MAGPAS they were claiming to be skint.....
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16:30 Friday 30th March
Any news of a host force yet ?
Any news of a host force yet ?
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This is easier 
West Yorkshire Approved as Lead Force for National Police Air Service (30 Mar 2012)
West Yorkshire Police Authority today approved a proposal subject to certain conditions, for the Force to host the new National Police Air Service (NPAS), serving the whole of England and Wales.
The agreement, at today’s Police Authority meeting, brings NPAS plans a step closer and would mean all police air support operations being co-ordinated by West Yorkshire.
NPAS is set to become operational later this year, replacing the individual arrangements which currently exist in forces across England and Wales. It is expected that a co-ordinated service will improve operational effectiveness and generate savings for all participating forces through procurement, innovation and rationalisation of the current operating model.
West Yorkshire will become responsible for air operational assets belonging to forces and authorities across England and Wales, including employment of staff.
The Chair of West Yorkshire Police Authority, Councillor Mark Burns-Williamson OBE commented on the decision, saying “The information presented to us today convinced members of the merits of agreeing to West Yorkshire Police being put forward as the lead force for the National Police Air Service.
“This is clearly an ambitious and complex project with big implications for us going forward, but we recognised that West Yorkshire Police is well placed to deliver this service on behalf of all forces in England and Wales ahead of the closure of the National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) later this year.
“We have been reassured that there will be no adverse impact upon the force or council tax payers in West Yorkshire. The funding, risks and liabilities for NPAS will be covered by a National Collaboration Agreement, which all participating forces and authorities will sign up to.
“Our approval today is subject to full costings being obtained and an assurance from the Chief Constable that all foreseeable risks are properly identified and mitigated, in discussions with the Home Office and others, so that there should be no adverse impact on West Yorkshire.”
West Yorkshire Police Authority today approved a proposal subject to certain conditions, for the Force to host the new National Police Air Service (NPAS), serving the whole of England and Wales.
The agreement, at today’s Police Authority meeting, brings NPAS plans a step closer and would mean all police air support operations being co-ordinated by West Yorkshire.
NPAS is set to become operational later this year, replacing the individual arrangements which currently exist in forces across England and Wales. It is expected that a co-ordinated service will improve operational effectiveness and generate savings for all participating forces through procurement, innovation and rationalisation of the current operating model.
West Yorkshire will become responsible for air operational assets belonging to forces and authorities across England and Wales, including employment of staff.
The Chair of West Yorkshire Police Authority, Councillor Mark Burns-Williamson OBE commented on the decision, saying “The information presented to us today convinced members of the merits of agreeing to West Yorkshire Police being put forward as the lead force for the National Police Air Service.
“This is clearly an ambitious and complex project with big implications for us going forward, but we recognised that West Yorkshire Police is well placed to deliver this service on behalf of all forces in England and Wales ahead of the closure of the National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) later this year.
“We have been reassured that there will be no adverse impact upon the force or council tax payers in West Yorkshire. The funding, risks and liabilities for NPAS will be covered by a National Collaboration Agreement, which all participating forces and authorities will sign up to.
“Our approval today is subject to full costings being obtained and an assurance from the Chief Constable that all foreseeable risks are properly identified and mitigated, in discussions with the Home Office and others, so that there should be no adverse impact on West Yorkshire.”
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Well I for one think that this is about costs, and to be honest I may not be a tory lover I do think that the public sector needs trimming, NPAS may be the step in the right direction, for one I may get a job flying the helicopters and two I have a feeling that policemen are trying to protect their own nice little numbers, why should it be a pc in the helicopter? I think that reducing the pay will put police officers off this post and get more back on the street where they belong, there are plenty of civilians who could do this job just fine, the CCTV operators in city centres etc can do a good job on a camera so with little training they would be fine I am sure. Lets get more feet on the beat 
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I say this because I dont think it would be hard to train someone who is not a policeman to do this role, maybe retired policemen who have worked in the helicopter? I just feel that this job is no more difficult than many others and civilians do those very well. I think the time is right for this change?
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Well to be fair we don't need half as many cops as we have. In fact ANY.
My next business venture is to set up a company that does town centre public order patrol during weekends when it's busy.
I'm going to employ a load of ex bouncers and hard b*****ds. We will do all the stuff the cops do now in the town. Stand on street corners, split up fights, throw drunks out of pubs. If anyone needs arresting we can use civilian powers of detention until some cops turn up, and we will just give a statement later. Bish bosh job done and it will be LOADS cheaper.
We can probably employ a few ex cops too. They'll be plenty looking for jobs soon.
You don't need cops to that job. Bouncers been doing it for years.
Now. What's next. CID. Bugger, they've already civilianised a lot of that..!
My next business venture is to set up a company that does town centre public order patrol during weekends when it's busy.
I'm going to employ a load of ex bouncers and hard b*****ds. We will do all the stuff the cops do now in the town. Stand on street corners, split up fights, throw drunks out of pubs. If anyone needs arresting we can use civilian powers of detention until some cops turn up, and we will just give a statement later. Bish bosh job done and it will be LOADS cheaper.
We can probably employ a few ex cops too. They'll be plenty looking for jobs soon.
You don't need cops to that job. Bouncers been doing it for years.
Now. What's next. CID. Bugger, they've already civilianised a lot of that..!
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