Helicopters in movies: aerial filming techniques
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Helicopters in movies: aerial filming techniques
Dear Moderators and all
I wonder if it's possible to have a thread similar along the lines to the NOstalgia thread on not just helicopters in the movies (as there is one already) but also combined with aerial filming techniques, Tyler mounts, types of HD systems etc etc experiences of crews doing shoots following say Isle of Man races, Formula 1, Le Mans etc etc
Many thanks
Chopper2004
I wonder if it's possible to have a thread similar along the lines to the NOstalgia thread on not just helicopters in the movies (as there is one already) but also combined with aerial filming techniques, Tyler mounts, types of HD systems etc etc experiences of crews doing shoots following say Isle of Man races, Formula 1, Le Mans etc etc
Many thanks
Chopper2004
Sounds like a good idea. Maybe somebody could get Marc Wolff to drop by and share some stories about flying in the Bond movies and other film work.
Marc Wolff - Specialist Film Pilot, Aerial Unit Director / Coordinator
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Marc Wolff - Specialist Film Pilot, Aerial Unit Director / Coordinator
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Chopper
I hesitated to post this earlier as it's such a popular site when it comes to rotorcraft in movies but .. on the off-chance you've not stumbled upon it then check-out rotaryaction.com
Rgds
Sav
I hesitated to post this earlier as it's such a popular site when it comes to rotorcraft in movies but .. on the off-chance you've not stumbled upon it then check-out rotaryaction.com
Rgds
Sav
There's a few other movie pilot names I'd love to hear from as well. I hope they are still with us: Karl A. Wickman, Thomas H. Friedkin and Ross Reynolds.
They all have quite a number of film credits to their names between them. Anyone know them?
They all have quite a number of film credits to their names between them. Anyone know them?
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Hi Savoia
Yep I know that website and at times have had to correct some of the credits as either
someone got the wrong helo or the wrong operator!
And guys, many thanks for your feedback,
Cheers
Yep I know that website and at times have had to correct some of the credits as either
someone got the wrong helo or the wrong operator!
And guys, many thanks for your feedback,
Cheers
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Spy Game 2001
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I had a brochure from Flying Pictures several years ago
Also a great source of interest is the extras on the Robert Redford / Brad Pitt motion picture Spy Game whereby they do an interview with Marc Wolff on set in Morocco where they used a few Hueys, a Mil-2 Hoplite, AS350 B3 for aerial filming. Interesting enough the film had an few historical factual errors, one of which came out in the interview withTony Scott during the aerial sequences. He said that the Viet Cong didnt have any helos at all but they decided to throw in the Hoplite during the assasination sequence. However the North Vietnamese Air Force did have a Mil-4 according to my Aircraft of the Vietnam Handbook .
Plus the dates were mixed up as at the beginning the screen shot which depicted Hong Kong, said Hong Kong, China yet the film was set in 1991 6 years before the handover. I could understand if the film was set in 2001.
Also again with dates, it said Da Nang firebase April 1975, Da Nang air base had long gone by 1975 for sure.
Also the Huey used in the movie was not the standard army UH-1D/H as the tail rotor was located on the starboard side of the tail as in Super Huey / USAF HH-1H version.
Beyond that its a good movie.
I had a brochure from Flying Pictures several years ago
Also a great source of interest is the extras on the Robert Redford / Brad Pitt motion picture Spy Game whereby they do an interview with Marc Wolff on set in Morocco where they used a few Hueys, a Mil-2 Hoplite, AS350 B3 for aerial filming. Interesting enough the film had an few historical factual errors, one of which came out in the interview withTony Scott during the aerial sequences. He said that the Viet Cong didnt have any helos at all but they decided to throw in the Hoplite during the assasination sequence. However the North Vietnamese Air Force did have a Mil-4 according to my Aircraft of the Vietnam Handbook . Plus the dates were mixed up as at the beginning the screen shot which depicted Hong Kong, said Hong Kong, China yet the film was set in 1991 6 years before the handover. I could understand if the film was set in 2001.
Also again with dates, it said Da Nang firebase April 1975, Da Nang air base had long gone by 1975 for sure.
Also the Huey used in the movie was not the standard army UH-1D/H as the tail rotor was located on the starboard side of the tail as in Super Huey / USAF HH-1H version.
Beyond that its a good movie.
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Just a few points for the spotters, the two 'Hueys' used in Spy Game were Bell 205 A1's D-HOOK and D-HAFL (hence the tail rotor on the other side). The sequences were filmed in various locations in the Czech Republic and Slovakia in the Tatra mountains and filmed almost in conjunction wit Behind Enemy Lines which also used a Spanish Bell 412. IIRC the filming in Morocco was for Blackhawk Down. 
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Cheers CyclicRick for the info on the pair of German Hueys, much appreciated
Though looking at the special features of Spy Game, the Hueys were filmed in the Moroccan brush as Marc was running around co-ordinating things in the desert area
The Morocco countryside especially where theres lots of trees and a river flowing through was meant to simulate the Vietnamese countryside.
Ah Black Hawk down, a few friends of mine who former US Army Aviators told me that Hollywood footed the transportation costs and so forth and special arrangements with the Moroccan Ministry of Defence when I asked, how did Hollywood managed to persuade the DoD and Dept of Army to send the elite and at times secretive Nightstalkers to Morocco for filming. I then thought about the security issues of protecting the MH-60L and MH-6 over there.
Morocco as well as Israel, for filming action movies set in the Middle East as said with Jewel of the Nile, Rules of Engagement (for which the Royal Moroccan Air Force lent a few CH-47 to simulate the USMC CH-46E that lifted off the fictional named USS Wake Island LHA for the land sequence of the film).
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Though looking at the special features of Spy Game, the Hueys were filmed in the Moroccan brush
as Marc was running around co-ordinating things in the desert area The Morocco countryside especially where theres lots of trees and a river flowing through was meant to simulate the Vietnamese countryside.
Ah Black Hawk down, a few friends of mine who former US Army Aviators told me that Hollywood footed the transportation costs and so forth and special arrangements with the Moroccan Ministry of Defence when I asked, how did Hollywood managed to persuade the DoD and Dept of Army to send the elite and at times secretive Nightstalkers to Morocco for filming. I then thought about the security issues of protecting the MH-60L and MH-6 over there.
Morocco as well as Israel, for filming action movies set in the Middle East as said with Jewel of the Nile, Rules of Engagement (for which the Royal Moroccan Air Force lent a few CH-47 to simulate the USMC CH-46E that lifted off the fictional named USS Wake Island LHA for the land sequence of the film).
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Tyler Mounts and WESCAM
Apart from Tyler are there any other popular makes of camera mounts used around for aerial filming from aircraft?
Likewise WESCAM gyro stablilised HD turrest used a lot as well?
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Likewise WESCAM gyro stablilised HD turrest used a lot as well?
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The bits the two German 205's were in were not filmed in Morocco, I can vouch for that as I was flying D-HOOK in the film. The rooftop sequences (Spy Game)were filmed at a small airfield south of Budapest (LHTL) on an old disused tower building. The 'flying off into the sunset' sequences were filmed over a large lake whose name escapes me at the moment. Obviously I can't vouch for any other scenes.
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Cyclic Rick,.
Ah many thanks for clarifying that so you didn't fly the scene where Nathan Muir met Tom Bishop in Vietnam
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Ah many thanks for clarifying that
so you didn't fly the scene where Nathan Muir met Tom Bishop in Vietnam Cheers
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No I didn't. We only did the rescue scenes at the end the same as in Behind Enemy Lines. I've done aerial camera work on a few other projects (film and TV) which can be very interesting.
Apart from Tyler are there any other popular makes of camera mounts used around for aerial filming from aircraft?
Likewise WESCAM gyro stablilised HD turrets used a lot as well?
Likewise WESCAM gyro stablilised HD turrets used a lot as well?
These gimbals are large in size and can take a wide range of cameras.
Spacecam, Eclipse (was wescam), Gyron FS, Libra
These gimbals are smaller and come from the factory with a HD camera installed.
Cineflex
Ultramedia HD
The R44 news helicopter comes equipped with a stabilised system with a pre-installed HD camera, the gimbal is made by Robinson (!) under license.
All of the above are positioned outside of the cockpit, either under the nose or on the side of the aircraft and operated by a remote control from the cockpit.
There are other stabilised gimbal systems that are not yet in use worldwide.
Each of the above systems has its pros and cons and offer varying degrees of functionality and stability.
As in the "old days" there is a number of mechanically balanced mounts that can accommodate a wide range of cameras and are installed in the door and operated manually by a camera person.
Mickjoebill
The new system to keep your eye on is the Shot-over. It was created by one of the guys instrumental in making the Cineflex. Think of a Cineflex with interchangeable camera payloads, as well as 3D in the future.
Home | Shotover Camera Systems
It can be loaded up with the Arri Alexa, Red EPIC, or Sony F35. Super stable, small, no Vne limits. Nice demo video on their site.
Home | Shotover Camera Systems
It can be loaded up with the Arri Alexa, Red EPIC, or Sony F35. Super stable, small, no Vne limits. Nice demo video on their site.
Heres some pics from various film sorties. Its far more civilised (and warmer!) with the doors on! I've worked with the Cineflex a fair bit and have to say its a winner all round (although it does have some issues). Afraid I dont have any decent pics of one though.
Biggest pointers for the newbies;
- Always try speak to others that have flown the camera systems before;
- Always do your Mass & Balance;
- Try to avoid flying at MAUW. The heavier you are the more limited you will be for the manouvres that might be required of you.
[Wescam sidemounted] - fly it like your stuck in treacle! and avoid AoB> 10degrees
[Internals]
[Tyler Sidemount]
[Wescam Nosemount] - fly it like your stuck in treacle! and avoid AoB> 10degrees. Whole system with rear ballast box (required!) is around 300kgs!
[Flir Ultramedia II]
[same longranger as above but decalled out for a film shoot for Emmerdale TV series some years back]
[R44 ENG - lump underneath tailboom is the battery box - for CofG reasons]
[R44 ENG Tail Fin lipstick camera on the back - stop working after a few hours due to vibration! - some guy called the CAA on me for this and said I was flying IN snow]
[Gyron HD - weighs in about 200kgs and needs a lot of ballast in the boot]
Biggest pointers for the newbies;
- Always try speak to others that have flown the camera systems before;
- Always do your Mass & Balance;
- Try to avoid flying at MAUW. The heavier you are the more limited you will be for the manouvres that might be required of you.
[Wescam sidemounted] - fly it like your stuck in treacle! and avoid AoB> 10degrees
[Internals]
[Tyler Sidemount]
[Wescam Nosemount] - fly it like your stuck in treacle! and avoid AoB> 10degrees. Whole system with rear ballast box (required!) is around 300kgs!
[Flir Ultramedia II]
[same longranger as above but decalled out for a film shoot for Emmerdale TV series some years back]
[R44 ENG - lump underneath tailboom is the battery box - for CofG reasons]
[R44 ENG Tail Fin lipstick camera on the back - stop working after a few hours due to vibration! - some guy called the CAA on me for this and said I was flying IN snow]
[Gyron HD - weighs in about 200kgs and needs a lot of ballast in the boot]
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Anyone have pictures of an "Outside Mount" for a 500? Supposedly it worked with a Continental front mount, and enabled the camera person to sit outside the aircraft and manually operate the mount. Read about this in regards to David Butler from 1977. Sounds like a curious system, likely no longer in use due to the remote mount technology being so advanced.
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we (meeker-airfilm) make alot of mounts for various helicopters. most are designed to take at the minimum the V14 / UMHD or Starsafire / MX15i class. most are FAA and EASA STC'd
we have mounts for
- AS-350/355: 4 versions, downlink mount, searchlight mount
- EC-120 side mount, nose mount in progress, downlink mount
- EC-130 nose mount, in progress
- EC-135/145 stepmounts
- Bell 206/407 nose mount, downlink mount, aft searchlight mount
- Bell 212/412 nose mount
- Bell UH-1H side mount
- Bell 429 nose mount, aft searchlight mount
- MD500/600 side mount, downlink mount, searchlight mount
- R66 nose mount in progress
- UH60 A/L/M mount
- Mi-17 nose mount
- unimount (vehicle / ship / quad etc
- various isolation devices for all the major gimbal mfgs
we (meeker-airfilm) make alot of mounts for various helicopters. most are designed to take at the minimum the V14 / UMHD or Starsafire / MX15i class. most are FAA and EASA STC'd
we have mounts for
- AS-350/355: 4 versions, downlink mount, searchlight mount
- EC-120 side mount, nose mount in progress, downlink mount
- EC-130 nose mount, in progress
- EC-135/145 stepmounts
- Bell 206/407 nose mount, downlink mount, aft searchlight mount
- Bell 212/412 nose mount
- Bell UH-1H side mount
- Bell 429 nose mount, aft searchlight mount
- MD500/600 side mount, downlink mount, searchlight mount
- R66 nose mount in progress
- UH60 A/L/M mount
- Mi-17 nose mount
- unimount (vehicle / ship / quad etc
- various isolation devices for all the major gimbal mfgs
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Spy Game
It was a Spanish 205. The sequences with this and the Mi-2 were shot in Morocco.
The sequences with HOOK and HAFL were shot in Hungary.
It was Lake Balaton.
Also the Huey used in the movie was not the standard army UH-1D/H as the tail rotor was located on the starboard side
....the [other] two 'Hueys' used in Spy Game were Bell 205 A1's D-HOOK and D-HAFL (hence the tail rotor on the other side). The sequences were filmed in various locations in the Czech Republic and Slovakia ...
The 'flying off into the sunset' sequences were filmed over a large lake ....