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Old 26th Jun 2012, 07:43
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Lowfat. Have you heard of a quaint little rule called 'Flight and Duty Time Limits'?

If pilot numbers are an issue - which is clearly not Dancopters fault - then even with the best will in the world and a 'can do' attitude, Dancopter cannot crew the aircraft until adequate numbers have been employed.

What is your problem?
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 09:40
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Epiphany:

the question to your answer is no, I have not applied for Dancopter or been rejected.

Is that the only reason you think anyone could possibly make the statement I did ? Kind of a cheap shot from you.

I stand by my comment, the deal they offered was really bad and quite unworthy of a Danish major league operator (as they are now).

But I wish them the best of luck, their salary is up to industry standard and they have a good equal time roster.

I at least think it´s a blow to Dancopter´s reputation that they cannot start the contract first of July as first announced.

Standing on the sideline watching I think the whole transition from Bristow to Dancopter was sloppy work, way to tight on time and all major decisions being taken in the absolute last minute. But I leave it to Shell (managemnt) to draw conculsions of this
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 11:24
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Why would there be any reflection of Dancopters reputation? The blame lies entirely with Shell. If they had awarded the contract with sufficient time for the new contractor to prepare then there would have been no problem. Shell know this which is why Dancopter still have the contract and will within a few months be performing as they would have been had the contract been awarded 6 months ago and not 6 weeks ago.

Of course it would have been easier for BHL as they already have the infrastructure and crews in place. Unfortunately for BHL Shell decided otherwise. Unfortunately for Shell they awarded the contract at the last minute and will now have to accept a slower start.

In relation to your statement about Dancopter TC's and salary I find it hard to believe that someone who professes to know so much about these things has no interest in joining Dancopter.

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Old 26th Jun 2012, 11:38
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@Swinging Rotor

I dont know anything about the awarding process or how much lead time was given to Dancopter, but what I know for sure is that the numbers you mention are false!

The ammount offered by Dancopter for EC155 type training was considerably higher and covered for the training, even if youve been too stupid to pass the test on the first attempt or needed the MCC as well.

Either your "inside contacts" couldnt do the maths (Offer was in Danish Kronen) or they just didnt know what they were talking about!
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 11:42
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Epifany

I have no problem with Dancopter more power to there elbow...

I couldn't careless about duty times, actions not words are the valid discussion at the moment.

They cleary were awarded a contract they cannot do in the time frame it was bid on. Isn't that irresponsible? Falling back on one of the evil corporations slated so often in this thread.

Its like getting the didicoy that tarmacs your drive into build a Motorway. You get what you pay for.
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 14:23
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Loaf fat,

Clearly you have an axe to grind of some sort and therefore your comprehension and coherence are temporarily challenged so I will leave you to your grinding. Have fun.

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Old 26th Jun 2012, 15:03
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epiphany


a literary work or section of a work presenting, usually symbolically, such a moment of revelation and insight.

Shouldn't that be

epicalyptry

describe concealment from self or resistance to insight.



No axe just an opposed point of view.
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 16:23
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Wow - you have a dictionary. Pity you don't use it more often.

I couldn't careless about duty times, actions not words are the valid discussion at the moment.
Dancopter do care about duty times fortunately which is why they need to employ more pilots for the Shell SNS contract. Most qualified NS pilots have a 3 month notice period to work so cannot start on 1st July. How can Dancopter employ these pilots if they are not given at least 3 months notice of succesful bid?

They cleary were awarded a contract they cannot do in the time frame it was bid on. Isn't that irresponsible? Falling back on one of the evil corporations slated so often in this thread.
Dancopter bid for the contract along with others in the time frame allocated by Shell. The irresponsibility lies with not informing the succesful bidder in sufficient time for them to prepare for the start of the contract. How is that the fault of Dancopter? No company has 5 spare airframes and 20 spare pilots waiting for a possible contract award. Not even BHL.

I am not employed by Dancopter but know the company and know that the criticism levelled at them by yourself and others here is not justified.

No axe just an opposed point of view.
By all means have an opposing point of view. Just tell me WHY you think Dancopter is at fault?
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 17:26
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So Dancopter are not culpable and it is all Shells Fault?

I'll get my coat.
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 17:29
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Atleast on the topic of paying for TR I think you have been mis-informed....
No pilot that I know of has had to buy their own type-rating as part of DC employment. DC paid the provider direct with my case.
They might have asked at the outset but quickly realised that was not the way forward?
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 17:45
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Before you get your coat just tell me why you think that Dancopter are culpable? You have been vocal enough but your ramblings have not stated a logical argument and I cannot see why you have not. Unless of course your only purpose in posting here is to wind people up
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 17:49
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@ MazdaDriver - I hate to ruin your "renewed sense of optimism" but my statements are based on info received from different sources, my own experiences and sometimes even facts, which all together form my opinion.
My "definitely not Bristow" statement arises from the facts Bristow has informed their staff they lost SNS Shell, they are making EC155 crews etc. redundant and they have 2 out of 3 EC155's for sale..... Hence my conclusion

RP

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Old 26th Jun 2012, 22:36
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Last thing I heard from Dancopter is that they dont consider you for a job if you dont have the right typerating.
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Old 27th Jun 2012, 00:54
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Thats right....I've applied from their website and thats what i got for answer....gotta have AW139, EC155 or EC225's rating to be considered.....

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Old 27th Jun 2012, 05:51
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Let's see how many people I can wind up with my new comment.... (Again form solid sources, so don't question my credibility )

Dancopter has managed to offer more payload in a their 155 then in Belair's 139, on a similar flight with similar circumstances and conditions. How the hell is that possible? Belair apparently has finally started to complain with the incompetent Danish CAA. Good for them. Go Belair!

Don't shoot the messenger! *putting on bullitproof vest*

Also on a side note, what's the Shell requirement for commanders? Dancopter apparently are taking on direct entry captains with just over 500 hours on type and offshore experience, with less then 2 winters offshore....
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Old 27th Jun 2012, 06:47
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Thumbs down

I have it from 3 independent friends/ex colleagues that the money offered by DC for the typerating was not enough. And I trust these guys word for it. And the statement that they would mix up euros and kroner is just stupid.

Maybe the recruitment offer has changed over time, but this what was what offered to them. I thought this was cheap.

And Epiphany, I have the latest DC salary list, so I am pretty well into the subject, thanks for asking. And no, it wasn´t good enough to consider applying. for various reasons (brutto salary not being one of them).

I think the tone of this thread is pretty bad, so I´m not going to contríbute any more.

fly safe guys
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Old 27th Jun 2012, 11:14
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SNI - you have missed your vocation in life. You should have been a stand-up comedian.
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Old 27th Jun 2012, 11:35
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More pax in 155 then in 139

... Only if you put two on winch and three on hook
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Old 27th Jun 2012, 16:21
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Why thank you! And Dancopter should join me on stage as a magician! With Shell in the front row doing:

Exclusive news for your eyes only by the way: Bristow will do half of Dancopter's flights in July

Really seems to me as another big bite that they aren't able to chew themselves That's 3 out of 4 permanent contracts they have now...

Are you sure you want to continue your job as Dancopter PR manager?

Cheers!

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Old 27th Jun 2012, 16:30
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I just read my last post, and oh snap, it's hella funny!

Come on, even you should see that!

PS. Now don't be all angry and stuff and try to reveal my identity
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