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Old 19th Feb 2012, 09:43
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Several in fact - sorry for any confusion
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 13:10
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As I recall the 139 was not the weapon of choice of the SMEs but the politically and commercially preferred option.
So what's the point of SME's if the Politians were won over by Swiss Tony at AW? Surely, they should have refused to accept the decision, resigned on mass etc? Or, were most RAF members trying to line their own nest and cosy up to the winning bidder? No names no pack drill...
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Old 20th Feb 2012, 08:10
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As even a 4-Star will tell you - and did last week - you can make all the recommendations you like, backed up with appropriate evidence to support your case, but when the politicians have significantly different agendas they choose what they want.
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Old 20th Feb 2012, 10:29
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Plenty about AW139, but this, though it wouldn't be my choice for big oceans and big mountains, seems to be a reasonably-sized aircraft in relation to Lot 2 requirements.

- Is there anything really wrong with AW139?
- Is it Lot 2 (and its predecessors) that has the errors rather than the aircraft?
- Is criticism of the AW139 connected, rightly or wrongly, with the ORNGE farce?
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Old 20th Feb 2012, 17:11
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JimF - got your PM, thanks - appreciated. Soz, for some reason I can't reply to PMs at the moment, despite trying on 2 PCs!
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Old 24th Feb 2012, 09:58
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Anyone heard anything about the transition-out plan for the MoD SAR bases? The thoughts are meant to have been thought and the meetings are meant to have met but I suspect it's all gone political. NIMBY time.
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Old 24th Feb 2012, 17:13
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C'mon Tallsar spill the beans give them the latest dodgy news............
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Old 25th Feb 2012, 08:21
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And where did that come from TC? - everything about UKSAR seems a tad dodgy at the moment... But all will be well in the end I'm sure!

As for transition plans...MoD or otherwise... Who is going to know anything about that? Perhaps in a year or so, when a contract has been signed, the winning bidder will be able to reveal all about their transition plans. As you know, MoD plans to retire all SAR SKs by Apr 2016.... Well that's what the SDSR said anyway... So it's bound to be true!
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 12:20
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... As for transition plans...MoD or otherwise... Who is going to know anything about that? Perhaps in a year or so, when a contract has been signed, the winning bidder will be able to reveal all about their transition plans. As you know, MoD plans to retire all SAR SKs by Apr 2016.... Well that's what the SDSR said anyway... So it's bound to be true!
Service commencement dates are published as part of the DfT's publication package. These refer to unnamed bases 1 to 7 but with their Lot numbers specified, across a nine month period from 1 April 2015 to 1 January 2016.

The DfT have been asked if more detail is available. It was expected that by this time the MoD board would have provided an answer. However, no answer was available last week.

While all this is of great interest to flyers and their bosses, on the ground, or on the coastline, or on the launch slip, the foot-soldiers of SAR want to be able to plan for the changing capabilities of the air assets in their area. Certainly within the next few months, and probably over the next couple of years, I expect that a few events will take place to disseminate information and build the necessary new relationships. Hopefully, there won't be too much screaming and shouting between now and a group hug.
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 23:18
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Let's hope that DfT have not started how they mean to go on. They still haven't announced the PQQ results yet but companies from around the world are now planning the site visits that start this week!

I believe that the visits were meant to be part of the dialogue phase of the process..after PQQ results.

As it stands there will be people en-route to Lossie that may find out in an email on Friday morning that they may as well have an expensive round of golf instead....OK, so it's not all bad!
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Old 28th Feb 2012, 13:23
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As it stands there will be people en-route to Lossie that may find out in an email on Friday morning that they may as well have an expensive round of golf instead....OK, so it's not all bad!
Now that you mention it, the bar at the Hopeman Golf Club might actually be a useful addition to the visit list. Aircrew, MRS, cas. Perfect.
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 08:27
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the future....

I thought this thread was about the future of UK SAR!!
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 15:36
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[QUOTE]I thought this thread was about the future of UK SAR!!/QUOTE]

RAF SAR force always get their priorities right - golf, pub then moaning...
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Old 3rd Mar 2012, 10:39
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At the risk of going back on thread for which I apologise.

It looks like all potential bidders have passed the PQQ stage, what this means in reality is that DfT didn't manage to assess them properly and as such are hoping for a bit of natural down-selection.

The way to do this is to completely change the time available to react by reducing it, with no notice, from 12 weeks to 4 weeks. This will effectively give those new players no time whatsoever to firm up tentative plans that may have been on hold pending PQQ success. 12 weeks was challenging enough, 4 weeks just plays into the hands of previous SAR bidders.

A sceptic might suggest that this automatically reduces the field to 3, FBH, CHC and maybe Bond if they can secure the right partners, and this may be the aim of the "authority". I'm a sceptic.
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Old 3rd Mar 2012, 17:45
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Am thinking you are so right Ron, especially if all the PQQ bidders got through. What on earth are the DfT thinking? Mind you, it's also debatable if all 3 of the companies you mention may have done any work either, given it costs money and they will be as reluctant as any other not to spend cash too soon.

I am sensing a stitch up... Big time!
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Old 4th Mar 2012, 16:47
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So are we set for another fiasco which falls flat on its face at the last moment?
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Old 6th Mar 2012, 15:44
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LinkedIn Helicrew Job Forum

Has anyone seen the Helicrew Job Forum on LinkedIn? Developing Assets (UK) Ltd are currently advertising for S61, S92 and EC225 pilots on a contractor basis. A little bird tells me there might be a S92 type rating up for grabs paid for by the company which could come in handy in the not too distant future.

Say what you want about life outside the military, this company's not just emerging into the market and currently have 25 operators employed across UK, Ireland and worldwide. Might be worth a punt!?

http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4...k=myg_ugrp_ovr
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Old 6th Mar 2012, 16:35
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Surprises in rescue service list of bidders

Press and Journal - Article - Surprises in rescue service list of bidders

The list... Bond Offshore, CHC, Bristow, and the Ipod Consortium, made up of ERA Helicopters and British International.
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Old 6th Mar 2012, 20:31
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Shetlander...having read the article myself, I suggest you go back and read it yourself again, and then consider a serious redrafting of the above post. You are in danger of seriously misleading the devoted readership of this thread.... Well that man who calls him or herself crab, anyway!
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Old 6th Mar 2012, 21:18
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IPOD?? ... I don't think so!
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