Are military trained Helicopter pilots overrated?
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Bloomin' 'eck FFF, even I thought Blackhand was funny and, as a woman, I have, of course, no sense of humour!! 
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It looks like the military pilots really are the best! I know this to be true because the learned scribes at this fine journal say so.
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Well I'm still waiting for a steely military UH1 pilot to tell me what the temperature limits on the 42 degree intermediate gearbox are as alluded to in post#5...
"You want to know the temperature limits of the 42 degree intermediate gearbox on a UH-1? Ask a military pilot; he knows."
It's a splash lubricated gearbox with no pressure or temperature indications in the cockpit or on the gearbox. The flex couplings have temperature sensitive strips but thats about it.
"You want to know the temperature limits of the 42 degree intermediate gearbox on a UH-1? Ask a military pilot; he knows."
It's a splash lubricated gearbox with no pressure or temperature indications in the cockpit or on the gearbox. The flex couplings have temperature sensitive strips but thats about it.
I watched 2 civilian R44s flying in loose formation eastwards along the Moray coast this lunchtime - both out of auto range of the land. About 2 hrs later a military Lynx flew past - within auto distance of the coast - even though it has 2 engines.
Who was displaying the better airmanship?
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Who was displaying the better airmanship?
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Who was displaying the better airmanship?
An impossible question to answer I would suggest. Airmanship includes flight planning, aircraft handling, cockpit management, situational awareness etc. etc. If the R44's and their occupants were carrying the equipment they were legally obliged to, what's the problem with flying over water in a single engined helicopter? About the only generalisation you can make is that Military pilots receive the best training, as the organisations involved have had decades to fine tune their training programs.
I've flown with good, bad and indifferent from both backgrounds.
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When I first got involved with yellow RAF helicopters they only had one engine.
How dangerous was that, good grief - what were those pilots thinking of....?
How dangerous was that, good grief - what were those pilots thinking of....?
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I don't recall saying it was dangerous
. I flew the Whirly 10 and seem to remember we had to wear parachutes above 8000ft 'cos if it caught fire the magalloy would be all burnt out before you could auto to the ground. We had to fly over the water to do the job and tragically people were killed when the engine stopped - eg Cyprus
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After 40yrs of flying I seem to have worked out what airmanship is
My point is that there was no reason to fly outwith auto distance of the land if the engine had stopped they would have been in the water - they may have had lifejackets, dinghies and PLB's but the a/c didn't have floats and getting out of a rapidly sinking possibly inverting helicopter is not easy - the dunker shows you that.
So good airmanship would influence you to fly over or within Auto distance of the land if at all practical. Obviously if you are crossing, for instance, the channel this isn't possible but all suitable precautions to mitigate the risk should be taken ie use good airmanship.
HF
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I don't recall saying it was dangerous
. I flew the Whirly 10 and seem to remember we had to wear parachutes above 8000ft 'cos if it caught fire the magalloy would be all burnt out before you could auto to the ground. We had to fly over the water to do the job and tragically people were killed when the engine stopped - eg CyprusRC
After 40yrs of flying I seem to have worked out what airmanship is
My point is that there was no reason to fly outwith auto distance of the land if the engine had stopped they would have been in the water - they may have had lifejackets, dinghies and PLB's but the a/c didn't have floats and getting out of a rapidly sinking possibly inverting helicopter is not easy - the dunker shows you that.
So good airmanship would influence you to fly over or within Auto distance of the land if at all practical. Obviously if you are crossing, for instance, the channel this isn't possible but all suitable precautions to mitigate the risk should be taken ie use good airmanship.
HF
(sorry for a bit of thread drift
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I watched 2 civilian R44s flying in loose formation eastwards along the Moray coast this lunchtime - both out of auto range of the land. About 2 hrs later a military Lynx flew past - within auto distance of the coast - even though it has 2 engines.
Flying a Lynx and not expecting some life changing event when you least expect it is poor airmanship in itself.
Just beating the air into submission!
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Am I over rated as an ex military pilot? Who cares? As a civy pilot, I am much better paid than my military counterparts and indeed most of my civy ones as well!
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It's too bad that this issue keeps coming up. It's almost always brought up by a low time civil guy with penis envy. Get over it, if you ever get to the professional level you'll find that we all work together, learn from and respect each other. A good pilot is a good pilot regardless of his/her background. Of 2 pilots of identical potential training via the civil or military routes, at 500 hours the military guy is going to have more skill thanks to the experience he's been exposed to. At the 10,000 hour mark they will probably be close to equal, and again that's got to do with experiences along the way.
Stop wasting energy on this and put it toward improving pay and working conditions for all of us. Oh, and don't make us all look bad by doing something stupid in your helicopter, rookie.
Stop wasting energy on this and put it toward improving pay and working conditions for all of us. Oh, and don't make us all look bad by doing something stupid in your helicopter, rookie.
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Blackhand sounds like you have some issues and this is probably not the forum for you mate.
Another joke:
RAF Captain to Army Pilot as leaving the toilet.
" I say old chap, in the RAF they teach us to wash our hands after urinating"
Army chap says " that's alright, in the Army they teach us not to wee on ours"
Change around to suit
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Wasn't sure where to post this, well it is military pilot related, posted on facebook by one of our Belgian pilots, too funny.
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