Humberside Issues, from Bad to Worse!
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Humberside Issues, from Bad to Worse!
Speaking to a friend last night, it would appear that the BP contract won by Bristow Helicopters, at Humberside, now generates more problems for the pilots. Only last week they were all told that 29 pilots would be accepted under the ensuing TUPE agreement, meaning minimal, if any job losses. Happy pilots and engineers all around! Yesterday, according to a Balpa Statement, Bristows intend to make most of the pilots redundant as soon as they transfer across, retaining only 6 pilots. 
Also they stipulate that the pilots must be type rated, and line checked, ready to go from the contract start date. How is that supposed to happen when CHC won't release any pilots for training. To date, I don't believe anyone has gone through any type difference training. Let's hope the unfortunate Pilots at Humberside can continue to fly safe whilst this threat of redundancy now looms large. With only 5 weeks to go, I bet there are some very worried pilots flying offshore, and the passengers should be made aware of the increased stress now present. A very unfair situation to be in.
Very nice of Bristows I must add.....not!
Also they stipulate that the pilots must be type rated, and line checked, ready to go from the contract start date. How is that supposed to happen when CHC won't release any pilots for training. To date, I don't believe anyone has gone through any type difference training. Let's hope the unfortunate Pilots at Humberside can continue to fly safe whilst this threat of redundancy now looms large. With only 5 weeks to go, I bet there are some very worried pilots flying offshore, and the passengers should be made aware of the increased stress now present. A very unfair situation to be in. Very nice of Bristows I must add.....not!
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Humberside: TUPE
How naive of me to think that the boys and girls of Humberside would be safe with TUPE
. Is this the same for the engineers as well - as Ive been told they have taken 20 or so of them accross??
. Is this the same for the engineers as well - as Ive been told they have taken 20 or so of them accross??
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Although not good news at all for the pilots at Humberside, the statement said 12, not 6 pilots, would be transferred across...
I also believe some of CHC's pilots may be able to transfer to Bristow in Norwich?
I do feel for the pilots and engineers at HUY, the uncertainty must be stressful
I also believe some of CHC's pilots may be able to transfer to Bristow in Norwich?
I do feel for the pilots and engineers at HUY, the uncertainty must be stressful
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It is very stressful and in honesty the stress levels have been increasing since the first contract was lost - I think it is incredible that the levels of service have been maintained throughout. The way I am feeling at the moment I do not think I would be able to fly today - hats off to the guys that are
I haven't posted for a while but feel very strongly about this. This is a terrible way to not only be treated, but also to find out about it on a friday evening at 7pm! Just a few days ago we were being told 'at least you all have jobs' and now, we're resigning ourselves to the fact many of us will probably be unemployed very soon. What s sh!t pile this whole thing is becoming. It's dragged on and on and safety issues really do have to be visited now. It's not safe to fly when u feel like total crap, worried about unemployment! I wonder if more news will come out on monday?
Fly safe guys.
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Not sure they can make full time guys redundant if they're using contractors (which they are at the moment). I wonder if they are just playing hi-stakes poker and are hoping that they can reduce numbers that transfer over with this little stunt. It's absolutely disgusting if they think they can get away with this and I hope BALPA go in all guns blazing. Good luck to all the guys affected.
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Now I'd forgotten about that! Bristows may just be opening a real big can of worms and if BALPA are on it, I'm really looking forward to seeing how this works out. Rumour has it they were just trying to reduce the contractors from a 12mnth to a 6mnth contract!
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Hey vital actions...how's this for a novel idea......how about not taking on contractors 3 month's before you know you are going to be taking over a new(actually 2 new) contracts from another company...and how about british jobs for british workers...you know, the one where bristows are employing GLOBAL guys to work in the UK where pilots are facing redundancy.....
If my son wanted desperately to be a pilot and couldn't get a job because
" Bristow's doesn't need anyone with global guys flying here" then I would be pretty pis*ed off about it....
I wish the guys at Humberside all the very best for the future and hope they all stay safe in uncertain times and also all find positions somewhere....
P.H.
If my son wanted desperately to be a pilot and couldn't get a job because
" Bristow's doesn't need anyone with global guys flying here" then I would be pretty pis*ed off about it....
I wish the guys at Humberside all the very best for the future and hope they all stay safe in uncertain times and also all find positions somewhere....
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Bristow has a legal obligation under European law to take a number of CHC pilots. They supplied the information regarding numbers to CHC who then informed their staff of what their individual position was. If the information above is true then Bristow has reneged on the information it supplied to CHC within a week.
Worth noting that when CHC took over the UK SAR contract they honoured the TUPE regulations and took all the Bristow staff. Bristow are well aware of European law and if they have put their own staff or contractors into these positions then that is at their own risk.
Also to be noted is that the Conoco contract is involved as well as the BP.
Worth noting that when CHC took over the UK SAR contract they honoured the TUPE regulations and took all the Bristow staff. Bristow are well aware of European law and if they have put their own staff or contractors into these positions then that is at their own risk.
Also to be noted is that the Conoco contract is involved as well as the BP.
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Thats all thes guys need, another part time empolyment specialist!
But seeing as Bristows, CHC, BALPA & UNITE agree that TUPE does apply, you must be mistaken.
Stick to the day job.........
Thats all thes guys need, another part time empolyment specialist!
But seeing as Bristows, CHC, BALPA & UNITE agree that TUPE does apply, you must be mistaken.
Stick to the day job.........
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"But seeing as Bristows, CHC, BALPA & UNITE agree that TUPE does apply, you must be mistaken."
Bond, CHC and BALPA all agreed that TUPE applied in Blackpool and in the end BALPA were of no use at all and the guys either had to take redunancy or a new contract with Bond.
Bond, CHC and BALPA all agreed that TUPE applied in Blackpool and in the end BALPA were of no use at all and the guys either had to take redunancy or a new contract with Bond.
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Originally Posted by dieseldo
Worth noting that when CHC took over the UK SAR contract they honoured the TUPE regulations and took all the Bristow staff.
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Here we go Vital actions....firstly, ok, take on contractors if you need them, but Bristows gave them 12 month contracts, knowing they were about to take over contracts from CHC in 3 months time
Second, most ex-pats flying abroad are there because there are NO suitable locals.....this is not the case here in the UK with qualified pilots facing redundancy
British jobs for British workers...Amen to that...try getting a job in Norway flying the North sea and see how well they protect thier own...and look at the difference in pay (even taking into account cost of living) and conditions and how well they are treated...
Next the visa's for our visiting brothers will be extended to 2 years, then 5, then YOUR pay will be cut in half, you may lose YOUR job... see how much you would defend the company then, whom, if they could, employ completely from global for crap dollars a day, they would
365 guy...BALPA were not much help at Blackpool because NO ONE bar one or two guys were in BALPA!!! Some of the stand up guys took Bond to court using a employment lawyer and won a good settlement!!
I cannot believe Bristow's are lowering themselves with the likes of Bond in this very similar instance
Second, most ex-pats flying abroad are there because there are NO suitable locals.....this is not the case here in the UK with qualified pilots facing redundancy
British jobs for British workers...Amen to that...try getting a job in Norway flying the North sea and see how well they protect thier own...and look at the difference in pay (even taking into account cost of living) and conditions and how well they are treated...
Next the visa's for our visiting brothers will be extended to 2 years, then 5, then YOUR pay will be cut in half, you may lose YOUR job... see how much you would defend the company then, whom, if they could, employ completely from global for crap dollars a day, they would
365 guy...BALPA were not much help at Blackpool because NO ONE bar one or two guys were in BALPA!!! Some of the stand up guys took Bond to court using a employment lawyer and won a good settlement!!
I cannot believe Bristow's are lowering themselves with the likes of Bond in this very similar instance
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Over half the workforce at Blackpool were in BALPA (certainly not the case now after all their help!!) and the" stand up" guys who got the settlement were those who were happy to retire whatever the outcome. Those of us who needed a job were "advised" by BALPA to call Bond and take their shilling
Over half the workforce at Blackpool were in BALPA (certainly not the case now after all their help!!) and the" stand up" guys who got the settlement were those who were happy to retire whatever the outcome. Those of us who needed a job were "advised" by BALPA to call Bond and take their shilling
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And there is a reason for that. When one group of pilots are being shafted, the rest of the community pull together and refuse to be divided. I assume the rest of the Bristow's pilot's will be showing the same degree of support to their (ex) CHC colleagues? 
Why not? That is how contracts are won and lost in the current market. To Shell, BP, CoP, et al the overall cost is the prevailing factor. How many contracts have been lost in the last 2 years even when perfomance and reliability was never in question?
try getting a job in Norway flying the North sea and see how well they protect thier own
I cannot believe Bristow's are lowering themselves with the likes of Bond in this very similar instance
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More news on this farce. Still no word from Bristows about those being made redundant yet. Bristows NWI staff being told they possibly have to move to HUY or face being kicked out!. Still none of the CHC HUY staff are ready to fly the 76C++.
Most of the CHC HUY staff are finding work elsewhere now, thanks to CHC really getting their act together. I can see Bristows having some difficulty come sept 1st! Who would want to work for a company with an attitude like theirs? I hope Conoco, BP and Centrica staff still feel safe! I just hope those being TUPE'D across etc, take Bristows for everything they can. Unfair/constructive dismissal? Proper redundancy payments? How much messier can it get? Watch this space.
Most of the CHC HUY staff are finding work elsewhere now, thanks to CHC really getting their act together. I can see Bristows having some difficulty come sept 1st! Who would want to work for a company with an attitude like theirs? I hope Conoco, BP and Centrica staff still feel safe! I just hope those being TUPE'D across etc, take Bristows for everything they can. Unfair/constructive dismissal? Proper redundancy payments? How much messier can it get? Watch this space.
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I wouldn´t use too much salt. Vital Actions, you are obviously a Bristow employee???
Which bit isn´t true then?
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So, come on then ´Font of all Knowledge´enlighten us??
Which bit isn´t true then?
Still no word from Bristows about those being made redundant yet. Bristows NWI staff being told they possibly have to move to HUY or face being kicked out!. Still none of the CHC HUY staff are ready to fly the 76C++.
Most of the CHC HUY staff are finding work elsewhere now, thanks to CHC really getting their act together.
So, come on then ´Font of all Knowledge´enlighten us??
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I can verify that what sliding doors reported is in fact true. Some, rather than most, are finding work elsewhere. The rest are recommending that Bristows colleagues from Norwich, with the threat of redundancies, stand fast and maintain their attitudes towards staying where they are, they only need to ask their roster writers if any redundancies could be afforded. CHC pilots must be rubbing their hands expecting huge payouts from bristows who are still continuing to 'negotiate' TUPE legislation. I foresee it being very expensive for Bristows if they maintain their current stance.
I can verify that what sliding doors reported is in fact true. Some, rather than most, are finding work elsewhere. The rest are recommending that Bristows colleagues from Norwich, with the threat of redundancies, stand fast and maintain their attitudes towards staying where they are, they only need to ask their roster writers if any redundancies could be afforded. CHC pilots must be rubbing their hands expecting huge payouts from bristows who are still continuing to 'negotiate' TUPE legislation. I foresee it being very expensive for Bristows if they maintain their current stance.