Rotary CRM
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Rotary CRM
I know that this should probably be in the Safety, CRM forum, but I'm after specific rotary stuff.
It's that time of year when I've got to think about preparing some annual CRM training. Having gone around the 3 year cycle twice, I'm running out of ideas.
Has any enterprising chap written a book for CRM instuctors giving various scenarios for this currency training?
Plus, can anyone point me in the direction of rotary examples of CRM based incidents? I've got David Beaty's "Naked Pilot", but that's all fixed wing airlines based.
It's that time of year when I've got to think about preparing some annual CRM training. Having gone around the 3 year cycle twice, I'm running out of ideas.
Has any enterprising chap written a book for CRM instuctors giving various scenarios for this currency training?
Plus, can anyone point me in the direction of rotary examples of CRM based incidents? I've got David Beaty's "Naked Pilot", but that's all fixed wing airlines based.
MG
Have you had a look at Phil Crouchers CRM book he uses during his CRM presentations ?
There is a video put together by Bond / CAA that is a very good CRM scenario sample kind of thing, a call to one of the FOIs might get you copy , I don't have it but I saw during a CRMI course last year.
Gary
Have you had a look at Phil Crouchers CRM book he uses during his CRM presentations ?
There is a video put together by Bond / CAA that is a very good CRM scenario sample kind of thing, a call to one of the FOIs might get you copy , I don't have it but I saw during a CRMI course last year.
Gary
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The other video that springs to mind is one done by TC Canada. I came across this through Phil Croucher: the emphasis was on their "Pilot Decision Making" view of these things, but it did include some helicopter stuff.
It would be lovely to have some sort of central information source for these sorts of things.
It would be lovely to have some sort of central information source for these sorts of things.
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Have you had a look at Phil Crouchers CRM book he uses during his CRM presentations ?
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CRM development
I wrote a book on how to design and develop CRM materials: 'Building Safer Systems" published by Ashgate. I also provide a forum for exchanging materials at crm resource central - CRM Facilitator's swapshop. There isn't any rotary stuff up there at the moment but I do have some material that I will post ... just as soon as I can find it!
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Case Study
The Irish Army Air Corps rescue helicopter accident at Waterford in 1999 is useful as a case study. Lots of thought provoking material in the official accident report.
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In reference to the above post by Leopold, here is a link to a full list of reports from the Irish AAIU.
Air Accident Investigation Unit Full List of Reports
and here is the link to the Dauphin incident;
Accident: Eurocopter AS365Fi Dauphin, IAC 248, Nr Tramore Strand Waterford, 01 Jul 1999: Report No 2000-011
SYNOPSIS
At 21:02 hrs on 01 July 1999 the Helvick Lifeboat and the Irish Air Corps Dauphin, DH248, located at Waterford Regional Airport, were launched, in very bad visibility, to assist in locating a boat reported lost off Dungarvan. In the event, Helvick Lifeboat located the casualty and subsequently requested DH248 to provide navigational assistance back to Helvick Pier, as the Lifeboat's GPS (navigation system) was not functioning correctly.
The DH248 crew were advised that the weather conditions at Waterford Airport were deteriorating. The Aircraft Commander decided to return to base. DH248 carried out two unsuccessful Instrument Landing System (ILS) approaches to Runway (RWY) 21 at Waterford Airport. The Aircraft advised Waterford Control Tower that they were then going to carry out a "coastal approach". During a probable go-around from this approach, DH248 impacted sand dunes adjacent to Tramore Strand. There were no survivors. The aircraft was destroyed. There was severe post-impact fire.
Air Accident Investigation Unit Full List of Reports
and here is the link to the Dauphin incident;
Accident: Eurocopter AS365Fi Dauphin, IAC 248, Nr Tramore Strand Waterford, 01 Jul 1999: Report No 2000-011
SYNOPSIS
At 21:02 hrs on 01 July 1999 the Helvick Lifeboat and the Irish Air Corps Dauphin, DH248, located at Waterford Regional Airport, were launched, in very bad visibility, to assist in locating a boat reported lost off Dungarvan. In the event, Helvick Lifeboat located the casualty and subsequently requested DH248 to provide navigational assistance back to Helvick Pier, as the Lifeboat's GPS (navigation system) was not functioning correctly.
The DH248 crew were advised that the weather conditions at Waterford Airport were deteriorating. The Aircraft Commander decided to return to base. DH248 carried out two unsuccessful Instrument Landing System (ILS) approaches to Runway (RWY) 21 at Waterford Airport. The Aircraft advised Waterford Control Tower that they were then going to carry out a "coastal approach". During a probable go-around from this approach, DH248 impacted sand dunes adjacent to Tramore Strand. There were no survivors. The aircraft was destroyed. There was severe post-impact fire.
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Bob Feerst's HAI Flying the Wire Environment course has a lot of RW-specific CRM. It's obviously biased toward powerline work, but contains some good examples, such as the crew's obligation to voice concerns about a mission (the example he gives is an EMS crew flying through deteriorating weather, where everybody, pilot included, is concerned, but it takes a flight nurse speaking up to end the mission), or crew communication issues (again, an EMS or ALE crew landing off-airport, observer says "you have the pole, right", pilot says "yeah, I got the pole"... repeat 3x, with increasing urgency from the observer and irritation from the pilot. Turns out, the pilot was focused on a distant telephone pole, the observer was looking at a volleyball pole. They took a picture with the TR a few feet from the pole).
I'd be interested in seeing what you put together, since I think ADM/CRM is a deficiency in primary training. I think students should learn that they can take charge and end a flight if they aren't comfortable with it, but too often they learn just to follow their instructor's lead. Not a good precedent for developing the ADM skills when their instructor turns them loose on the world.
I'd be interested in seeing what you put together, since I think ADM/CRM is a deficiency in primary training. I think students should learn that they can take charge and end a flight if they aren't comfortable with it, but too often they learn just to follow their instructor's lead. Not a good precedent for developing the ADM skills when their instructor turns them loose on the world.
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The telephone pole/volleyball pole reference reminds me of the problems describing things such as wires/pylons and how we communicate in general.
"Have you got the wires?"
'Are you referring to the 30 ft wires on the telegraph poles or 300 ft wires on the pylon lines, or was it the wires strung across the field between the trees?'
(clearly more of an issue low level or ad hoc landings)
Scenario - HEMS, ad hoc or precautionary landing (possibly at night?) on a sports pitch/astro turf.
Have you got the...
Posts - Netball/football/hockey/tennis/lighting
Wires - Between posts/between lighting posts/tennis net/hanging wire across pitches to demarcate pitches using net that is not in use.
Netting - goals/cricket lane/fencing/loose around edge
For example;
http://clubdir.gaa.ie/monaghan/toome...astrosmall.jpg
You opt to land in this floodlit area....Did you see it?
"Have you got the wires?"
'Are you referring to the 30 ft wires on the telegraph poles or 300 ft wires on the pylon lines, or was it the wires strung across the field between the trees?'
(clearly more of an issue low level or ad hoc landings)
Scenario - HEMS, ad hoc or precautionary landing (possibly at night?) on a sports pitch/astro turf.
Have you got the...
Posts - Netball/football/hockey/tennis/lighting
Wires - Between posts/between lighting posts/tennis net/hanging wire across pitches to demarcate pitches using net that is not in use.
Netting - goals/cricket lane/fencing/loose around edge
For example;
http://clubdir.gaa.ie/monaghan/toome...astrosmall.jpg
You opt to land in this floodlit area....Did you see it?
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One excellent rotary-wing example I use a lot is G-BBHM (coastguard S61 that had catastrophic tech failures, but the crew managed to get it on the ground and walk away, although it went from fine to unflyable in 82 secs.) Compare and contrast with any one of many not so fortunate outcomes.
If you are interested, I am half way through producing a powerpoint about CRM and automation issues in new-generation aircraft. I was going to offer it as a freebie to any of the AOUs getting a new cab with electronic gizmos to replace the steam-driven stuff. If you would like it, PM me and let me know when you need it for.
If you are interested, I am half way through producing a powerpoint about CRM and automation issues in new-generation aircraft. I was going to offer it as a freebie to any of the AOUs getting a new cab with electronic gizmos to replace the steam-driven stuff. If you would like it, PM me and let me know when you need it for.
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NPCP,
Am I right in thinking that the BBHM incident had a film crew on board, Seaside Rescue or the like?
Air Accidents Investigation: 2/2004 G-BBHM
Am I right in thinking that the BBHM incident had a film crew on board, Seaside Rescue or the like?
Air Accidents Investigation: 2/2004 G-BBHM
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Ok, thanks. Must be thinking of a different incident.
