Puma ditching Nigeria
Keep this under your hat but word is out....."It was Bad JuJu!" That's wat got'em for sure!
This one is strangely quiet. Expat crew normally rules out the "bad juju" theory. Of course there is still the infamous Nigerian "microburst" on equal footing with the alien ditching ray.
Pprune isn't the AAIB or NTSB - any rumors are welcome. Speculations on the other hand are at more risk from the self-righteous censors.
Pprune isn't the AAIB or NTSB - any rumors are welcome. Speculations on the other hand are at more risk from the self-righteous censors.
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Heard from a Bristow engineer that they have been told that there "is no evidence of any mechanical problem with the aircraft".
The reason for this incident IS known - it is just being kept under wraps. WHY??????
After the EC225 CFIT last year there was the most radical look at night poor vis ops that I have ever seen. Maybe there are good lessons to be learnt from this incident, regardless of it's cause.
Come on Bristow - in the interest of Flight Safety and client confidence lift the veil of secrecy!
The reason for this incident IS known - it is just being kept under wraps. WHY??????
After the EC225 CFIT last year there was the most radical look at night poor vis ops that I have ever seen. Maybe there are good lessons to be learnt from this incident, regardless of it's cause.
Come on Bristow - in the interest of Flight Safety and client confidence lift the veil of secrecy!
-272.15 degrees Cels,
My comments hardly indicated that I am, "so switched on" or that I could possibly tell you what happened.
I see that you've chosen some icons to express your anger for you, I'm sorry to have ruffled your feathers.
I hardly think the "truth will come out" as you say from our west African friends. I've seen many things from that part of the planet and I know that what happens in west Africa often stays in west Africa.
We operate in a rather hostile environment and I like many believe in learning from the mistakes/incidents of others. If someone else ditches or has an otherwise bad day for the same reason before the truth comes out then that would be truly unfortunate.
Fly safe!
My comments hardly indicated that I am, "so switched on" or that I could possibly tell you what happened.
I see that you've chosen some icons to express your anger for you, I'm sorry to have ruffled your feathers.
I hardly think the "truth will come out" as you say from our west African friends. I've seen many things from that part of the planet and I know that what happens in west Africa often stays in west Africa.
We operate in a rather hostile environment and I like many believe in learning from the mistakes/incidents of others. If someone else ditches or has an otherwise bad day for the same reason before the truth comes out then that would be truly unfortunate.
Fly safe!
Still no official word on the latest Accident in Nigeria?
But then as there has been no Press Releases providing any details of the Two Bell 412's that were lost either....this should come as no surprise.
One 412 went down at night during a very questionable set of circumstances while on a "Casevac" flight killing all aboard.
The second 412 crashed at the Mobil QIT....under really odd circumstances killing the only occupant aboard....the pilot.
Now we have a Tiger going for a swim.....and despite there being no one injured and at least one video tape in existence.....still no report telling of the circumstances.
Makes one wonder why the zipped lips!
Bristow using Polygraphs and Voice Analysers to seek out "Leakers"?
Beware the key stroke monitoring programs on the company router perhaps....but when at home on leave....one should be able to spread a bit of word to the rest of us.
But then as there has been no Press Releases providing any details of the Two Bell 412's that were lost either....this should come as no surprise.
One 412 went down at night during a very questionable set of circumstances while on a "Casevac" flight killing all aboard.
The second 412 crashed at the Mobil QIT....under really odd circumstances killing the only occupant aboard....the pilot.
Now we have a Tiger going for a swim.....and despite there being no one injured and at least one video tape in existence.....still no report telling of the circumstances.
Makes one wonder why the zipped lips!
Bristow using Polygraphs and Voice Analysers to seek out "Leakers"?
Beware the key stroke monitoring programs on the company router perhaps....but when at home on leave....one should be able to spread a bit of word to the rest of us.
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SAS - If the Casevac flight you refered to was the one piloted be D.E. I was told by a reliable source several years ago that one of the 412's new light weight doors came off and took out the tail rotor.
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Sasless.
Don't forget the G-JSAR L2 off Den Helder to add to your list of 'hushed up' incidents. No official, interim or final reports over 3 years later.
I believe that this particular (G-JSAR) incident has been investigated fully, conclusions been drawn to positive and negative actions taken by the Crew (rear and front). As to why these are not published to the benefit and to enhance the safety of others, beats me.
We shouldn't be depending on 'leaked' information.
Bristow's Target Zero policy :
Zero information following incidents.
Zero lessons learned from said incidents.
Zero embarrassment ..... Maybe thats the aim?
We are left to find out unverified information from sites like this.
I hope this pattern is disrupted, and we are able to learn from the Nigeria ditching. And the information shouldn't be limited to those amongst the Bristow Crew room, who are informed through word of mouth. It should be on the table for the whole industry to learn from.
It's not a finger pointing exercise. Its how we progress.
Don't forget the G-JSAR L2 off Den Helder to add to your list of 'hushed up' incidents. No official, interim or final reports over 3 years later.
I believe that this particular (G-JSAR) incident has been investigated fully, conclusions been drawn to positive and negative actions taken by the Crew (rear and front). As to why these are not published to the benefit and to enhance the safety of others, beats me.
We shouldn't be depending on 'leaked' information.
Bristow's Target Zero policy :
Zero information following incidents.
Zero lessons learned from said incidents.
Zero embarrassment ..... Maybe thats the aim?
We are left to find out unverified information from sites like this.
Heard from a Bristow engineer that they have been told that there "is no evidence of any mechanical problem with the aircraft".
SAS - If the Casevac flight you refered to was the one piloted be D.E. I was told by a reliable source several years ago that one of the 412's new light weight doors came off and took out the tail rotor.
It's not a finger pointing exercise. Its how we progress.
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js0987 - I'd heard the same and that one rapid change was to transfer Pan African Airways, who were flying that 412 from the control of Air Log to 'proper' Bristow to cure some major operational management shortcomings of the US run operation.
Jetboxer - On the L2 there has certainly been an exchange of information informally here in the Netherlands as their were some strong inter-company ties with the crew
and a great interest in the SAR capability JSAR provided to all.
That accident is subject to an official De Onderzoeksraad Voor Veiligheid investigation which would make it difficult for an air operator to release their own report to other operators - which would be rare, yes?
The Board do not act fast but perhaps faster than the investigators in Nigeria, yes? Their limited aviation expertise will have been diverted by the Turkish 737 accident last year. Yet, there has been an interim report, a preliminary report and an Airworthiness Directive all very soon after the accident: Noodlanding in zee, Bristow AS322L2 Search and rescue helicopter, Noordzee nabij Den Helder - De Onderzoeksraad voor veiligheid
Are you not seeing smoke when there is no fire?
A few years back you wrote
Then perhaps you should have a few friends from their crew rooms you can talk to.
Jetboxer - On the L2 there has certainly been an exchange of information informally here in the Netherlands as their were some strong inter-company ties with the crew
and a great interest in the SAR capability JSAR provided to all. That accident is subject to an official De Onderzoeksraad Voor Veiligheid investigation which would make it difficult for an air operator to release their own report to other operators - which would be rare, yes?
The Board do not act fast but perhaps faster than the investigators in Nigeria, yes? Their limited aviation expertise will have been diverted by the Turkish 737 accident last year. Yet, there has been an interim report, a preliminary report and an Airworthiness Directive all very soon after the accident: Noodlanding in zee, Bristow AS322L2 Search and rescue helicopter, Noordzee nabij Den Helder - De Onderzoeksraad voor veiligheid
Are you not seeing smoke when there is no fire?
A few years back you wrote
Having worked for both of the red/white and blues in recent years
Digging through my faded memory....the one that was so permanently damaged while drinking Gulder with the Dino's for so many years....brings to mind the following.
The Night Casevac.....was it not reported by the pilot....that a cabin door open light had illuminated....and later bits of the tail rotor, quarter door....and a body of one of the passengers was recovered. The first attempt to use an ROV resulted in the loss of the ROV. Supposition was a cabin door had come open....the passenger may have tried to close it....as there were no door stops installed....the door had slid off and hit the tail rotor thus bringing down the aircraft. Collateral issues were the flight following....or lack of....and the delayed report of the loss of the aircraft to the operator.
The Eket Crash circumstances pointed to Human Factors and suggested there was no mechanical malfunction. Supposition was it may have in fact been a case of suicide?
The latest event....the ditching seems to have gone all quiet....which generally suggests Pilot Error or other human failure.....as if it were an component failure....some sort of AD, SB or Alert Letter would have been issued. Did not the audio of the video have a statement where someone was talking about ...."We just keep coming down...." wonder who said that?
The absence of news.....creates a vaccuum which both Nature and Pilots hate!
The Night Casevac.....was it not reported by the pilot....that a cabin door open light had illuminated....and later bits of the tail rotor, quarter door....and a body of one of the passengers was recovered. The first attempt to use an ROV resulted in the loss of the ROV. Supposition was a cabin door had come open....the passenger may have tried to close it....as there were no door stops installed....the door had slid off and hit the tail rotor thus bringing down the aircraft. Collateral issues were the flight following....or lack of....and the delayed report of the loss of the aircraft to the operator.
The Eket Crash circumstances pointed to Human Factors and suggested there was no mechanical malfunction. Supposition was it may have in fact been a case of suicide?
The latest event....the ditching seems to have gone all quiet....which generally suggests Pilot Error or other human failure.....as if it were an component failure....some sort of AD, SB or Alert Letter would have been issued. Did not the audio of the video have a statement where someone was talking about ...."We just keep coming down...." wonder who said that?
The absence of news.....creates a vaccuum which both Nature and Pilots hate!
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Owner of the video
Hello.
Does anyone know who's the owner of the video? I am working as an instructor at a safety center in Norway and would very much like to use this video as a part of the general helicopter safety education I'm teaching.
Does anyone know who I can contact to get authorization for showing this in my classes?
Thanks
Mats
Does anyone know who's the owner of the video? I am working as an instructor at a safety center in Norway and would very much like to use this video as a part of the general helicopter safety education I'm teaching.
Does anyone know who I can contact to get authorization for showing this in my classes?
Thanks
Mats
You're kidding, right?
The video has been posted for public use. It is now public domain. Do whatever you want. I give you permission.
You can always fall back on old English common law: publications in the interest of safety cannot be copyright.
The video has been posted for public use. It is now public domain. Do whatever you want. I give you permission.
You can always fall back on old English common law: publications in the interest of safety cannot be copyright.
