Puma ditching Nigeria
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Terrific job of evacuating the aircraft by both pilots and it has to be said for the passengers for actually listening?! 
Thought I'd seen the last of that laid back Yorkshireman but I suspect I'll be watching that video come my next HUET, and the one after that, and the one after that...
Thought I'd seen the last of that laid back Yorkshireman but I suspect I'll be watching that video come my next HUET, and the one after that, and the one after that...
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From: Malaysia
The guys did good
Gentlemen.
Fair play to the guys in charge of the 'incident' for doing the right thing, whilst in the water. I am fully aware that a 'crew' is only as good as it's last emergency (outwith the simulator). I hope everyone has respect for the guys involved, to act in such a manner that deserves the ultimate respect. The video shows it!
The last thing they need right now is to be put on the 'spot' by their peers, as happens frequently on this forum.
Everyone in the aviation industry wants to know why a helicopter landed in a place where it shouldn't! In good time my friends........
I concur with my 'learned coleagues' that an "investigation is taking place" and we will await the outcome. Then draw conclusions and then decide where the problem occured and whether the correct actions where carried out.
The Captain of an the A/c is the last person in charge of a very long line of events which lead up to "a flight". There will off course be lots of other people invloved in the investigation, besides the 18 people in the liferaft.
I note with interest that, there has been no mention of this "incident" on the Engineers forum after 5 days! This forum is on page 3!
Could it be there is no news yet! But this forum still continues to post speculations!
Contravertsial mybe.
123Beeeeeep
Fair play to the guys in charge of the 'incident' for doing the right thing, whilst in the water. I am fully aware that a 'crew' is only as good as it's last emergency (outwith the simulator). I hope everyone has respect for the guys involved, to act in such a manner that deserves the ultimate respect. The video shows it!
The last thing they need right now is to be put on the 'spot' by their peers, as happens frequently on this forum.
Everyone in the aviation industry wants to know why a helicopter landed in a place where it shouldn't! In good time my friends........
I concur with my 'learned coleagues' that an "investigation is taking place" and we will await the outcome. Then draw conclusions and then decide where the problem occured and whether the correct actions where carried out.
The Captain of an the A/c is the last person in charge of a very long line of events which lead up to "a flight". There will off course be lots of other people invloved in the investigation, besides the 18 people in the liferaft.
I note with interest that, there has been no mention of this "incident" on the Engineers forum after 5 days! This forum is on page 3!
Could it be there is no news yet! But this forum still continues to post speculations!
Contravertsial mybe.
123Beeeeeep
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From: Downeast
Ah yes....wait for the report! Knowing how Bristow and the NCAA work....the only release of timely and accurate info will be by means of the Beer fuelled Jungle Telegraph!
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wait for the report
Surely after all this time there should be the facility to issue a simple statement as to what led to this event.
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Originally Posted by SASless
Knowing how Bristow and the NCAA work....the only release of timely and accurate info will be by means of the Beer fuelled Jungle Telegraph!
I/C
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From: Downeast
A few questions for those out there in the tropical paradise known as Nigeria....
The Agbami field is about 50 miles off-shore Brass where there is a good strip for a single engine landing and emergency services. Do SOP's include that as an onshore diversion in case of situations like this one?
What kind of SAR exists now days.....still based in Lagos and relies upon a machine being on the ramp between passenger flights?
What would have been the response time for airborne SAR for a "injured folks" in the water"?
Is the case still one of SAR help is still just a "hope" away?
The Agbami field is about 50 miles off-shore Brass where there is a good strip for a single engine landing and emergency services. Do SOP's include that as an onshore diversion in case of situations like this one?
What kind of SAR exists now days.....still based in Lagos and relies upon a machine being on the ramp between passenger flights?
What would have been the response time for airborne SAR for a "injured folks" in the water"?
Is the case still one of SAR help is still just a "hope" away?
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Thoughts?
So Seabird basically requested that I take down the video of the incident. My position is that it was a positive thing to watch. I think it showed professional conduct, what appeared to be well maintained equipment and that they take safety seriously. Not to mention the video doesn't even mention that those are Seabird employees in the boat. True, you can make that inference from the article I wrote but the actual youtube video made no mention beyond it being a Bristow helicopter. For those that didn't get to see it I'm sorry, if you email me through vtolblog I might accidentally respond with the vid.
Does anyone else think it put Seabird in a negative light? I try to remain neutral with everything I write.
heliaddict / vtolblog.com
Does anyone else think it put Seabird in a negative light? I try to remain neutral with everything I write.
heliaddict / vtolblog.com
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From: Downeast
Keep it posted....as it documents actual events viewed first hand. Nothing embarrassing at all in the video. It shows folks in a stressful situation coping quite well. It does show how benign the landing was as compared to some others that have had much more tragic results.
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posting
The problem with keeping it posted isn't so much what Seabird can do about it, it is that the person that works for them has apparently been told not to show it. He implied his job was in jeopardy so I can respect that. I just disagree with Seabird's opinion that it shouldn't be shared.
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Regardless of the cause of the incident, the crew have to be commended for a great job in getting everyone out the aircraft in a safe and timely manner and orchestrating the whole procedure so well. Well done John.
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From: Aberdeen, UK
Let's hope Bristow and the investigating agencies don't 'sweep this one under the carpet.'
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are we still waiting for a report and factors causing the ditching of AS332L2 G-JSAR?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are we still waiting for a report and factors causing the ditching of AS332L2 G-JSAR?
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G-JSAR
Jetboxer - I believe that Bristow are also still awaiting the formal G-JSAR report; I don't suppose any operator would comment on an accident / incident formally before the authorities have their say.
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From: Brazil
I saw only comments about engine failure; is everybody forgetting about land immediately emergency procedures? What about MGB 0 pressure or very low pressure with some other symptoms like Increased power required at constant collective setting and airspeed, yaw kicks, unusual noise or vibrations, for example? No matter of being only a few hundreds meters from the destiny, land immediately is land immediately!
Letīs wait for some more accurate data...
Letīs wait for some more accurate data...
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From: Australia
Accuracy vs haste
Once again I'm amazed (but I really shouldn't be) at some of the posts concerning the recent ditching of a Bristow AS332 in Nigeria.
Given we're all professional pilots (aren't we), presumably we would be in the best position to realise that any number of things could have occurred and Ivgra's post alludes to this fact.
Also, we're the first to criticise those that make fanciful, quick judgements (notably the press), as to what might have occurred in instances such as this.
And yet here we are (some of us) expecting all the facts to be made apparent y'day. I find Wizzard's comments especially amusing. I have personally never felt like an idiot not knowing the facts of the matter as long as I have explained in reasonable terms why this might the case.
However, I have felt like an idiot by getting the answer wrong as a result of passing on rumour and innuendo with no concern for the facts. Use your initiative when talking to your passengers so you don't come off looking like an "unprofessional idiot" as you say. You're a professional pilot for goodness sake
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If you really want facts, we may have a wait a while. If not, knock yourselves out with as much speculation as you can handle.
Rant over...
P68
Given we're all professional pilots (aren't we), presumably we would be in the best position to realise that any number of things could have occurred and Ivgra's post alludes to this fact.
Also, we're the first to criticise those that make fanciful, quick judgements (notably the press), as to what might have occurred in instances such as this.
And yet here we are (some of us) expecting all the facts to be made apparent y'day. I find Wizzard's comments especially amusing. I have personally never felt like an idiot not knowing the facts of the matter as long as I have explained in reasonable terms why this might the case.
However, I have felt like an idiot by getting the answer wrong as a result of passing on rumour and innuendo with no concern for the facts. Use your initiative when talking to your passengers so you don't come off looking like an "unprofessional idiot" as you say. You're a professional pilot for goodness sake
.If you really want facts, we may have a wait a while. If not, knock yourselves out with as much speculation as you can handle.
Rant over...
P68
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What I find a bit odd is that the number of posts objecting to speculation outweighs the number of speculative posts, of which there have been very few. 
So just to give some balance: how about a microburst causing an unmanageable ROD.
Merry Christmas, especially ye scrooges.
So just to give some balance: how about a microburst causing an unmanageable ROD.
Merry Christmas, especially ye scrooges.