Helicopter down near sandtoft
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Don' take that bait guys. Anyone who hijacks a thread relating to the death of a fellow aviator in order to spout about his own prejudices is clearly more to be pitied than taken seriously. Let’s get the thread back on track.
BarbiesBoyfriend and his Jet Blast comments are neither clever nor wanted in this thread. They (and the responses) have been removed.
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BarbiesBoyfriend and his Jet Blast comments are neither clever nor wanted in this thread. They (and the responses) have been removed.
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R22's
Nobody knows what went wrong, I would like to think that any information regarding the cause of the acccident will help towards preventing another. I wouldnt like to imagine how the people relating to the incident are feeling. It is a sad day when people are leaving petty messages regarding this unfortunate incident. As a newly qualifed PPL (H) rated on a R22 I was expressing how I felt when flying round on my own for the first few times. The reason I commented on the crack sound after having my machine in for a service there was an issue with one of the main rotors de laminating. As fellow pilots we should all assist in any way possible to ensure saftey is paramount.
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What a great shame.
The first thing I thought of when I read the comments on the 'crack' followed by loss of the tail was that the pilot was overcontrolling, for whatever reason, and chopped his own tail rotor off.
The first thing I thought of when I read the comments on the 'crack' followed by loss of the tail was that the pilot was overcontrolling, for whatever reason, and chopped his own tail rotor off.
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Possible, however you may notice from the pictures that the tail boom appears to be very close to the fuselage. If the tail boom had of been chopped off in flight then wouldn't the tail boom and fuselage of landed on the ground in different locations ?
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helimutt,
j21k, if he's who I'm almost certain he is, does indeed fly helicopters. But he's a low hours, very new PPL(H) who's understandably a little concerned as to the reason for this tragic accident. Be gentle with him.
And j21k, if you were as overloaded by that trip as it sounds, perhaps you should make haste a little more slowly, don't you think?
j21k, if he's who I'm almost certain he is, does indeed fly helicopters. But he's a low hours, very new PPL(H) who's understandably a little concerned as to the reason for this tragic accident. Be gentle with him.
And j21k, if you were as overloaded by that trip as it sounds, perhaps you should make haste a little more slowly, don't you think?
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Most people's first concerns will be for the pilot, his family, the instructor and the immediate fraternity.
Then, inevitably, those with a vested interest will want to seek clarity on the cause, to understand why it happened and what might have pevented it. Of course one would hope the AAIB report will be conclusive, but this could take months.
In the meantime, there will be speculation and conjecture, and it again raises questions about helicopter safety and, specifically, the Robinsons' record. Once we have clarification we will be in a better position to judge.
Then, inevitably, those with a vested interest will want to seek clarity on the cause, to understand why it happened and what might have pevented it. Of course one would hope the AAIB report will be conclusive, but this could take months.
In the meantime, there will be speculation and conjecture, and it again raises questions about helicopter safety and, specifically, the Robinsons' record. Once we have clarification we will be in a better position to judge.
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Who said the tailboom came off?
The witness stated that it came down tail first, not without a tail.
Yes the seat structure is supposed to collapse to safe your spine... yea, right!
The witness stated that it came down tail first, not without a tail.
Yes the seat structure is supposed to collapse to safe your spine... yea, right!
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Very sad news - condolences to the pilot's kin but my heart goes out to the F.I.
I can only guess at what he's going through now after experiencing a thousand emotions between my daughter departing the plate from her spririted event horse ( that I put her on ) her hitting the ground but thankfully, getting up shortly after not much worse for wear.
Every trainers worst nightmare.
I can only guess at what he's going through now after experiencing a thousand emotions between my daughter departing the plate from her spririted event horse ( that I put her on ) her hitting the ground but thankfully, getting up shortly after not much worse for wear.
Every trainers worst nightmare.
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Spare a thought for the maintenance people. They will be going through it until they hear that the accident was not a maintenance issue.
In a 35 year career I have been there on a couple of occasions. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
In a 35 year career I have been there on a couple of occasions. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
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I heard it was definitly this copter.
Griffin Helicopters | Accident Details | R22 G-TTHC 09 Jan 1999
G-TTHC involved in problems a few years ago...
Not sure of this accident but quite likely with the current weather....new pilot (lots to think about), forgetting carb heat...then failed autorotation?? seems very likely....R.I.P (nothing worse hearing about this as a new pilot myself. almost puts me off. but i know i wont give up...its the thrill. We hope to live long or to die doing something we love. lets hope this was the case)
Griffin Helicopters | Accident Details | R22 G-TTHC 09 Jan 1999
G-TTHC involved in problems a few years ago...
Not sure of this accident but quite likely with the current weather....new pilot (lots to think about), forgetting carb heat...then failed autorotation?? seems very likely....R.I.P (nothing worse hearing about this as a new pilot myself. almost puts me off. but i know i wont give up...its the thrill. We hope to live long or to die doing something we love. lets hope this was the case)
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Good evening,
The BBC have an update to this incident now:
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Humber | Crash helicopter pilot identified
The BBC have an update to this incident now:
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Humber | Crash helicopter pilot identified
A trainee pilot who was killed when his helicopter plunged into a field has been named.
Kim Carter, 54, from Bradford, died when the Robinson R22 aircraft crashed on land next to the M180 at Sandtoft, North Lincolnshire, on Saturday.
Mr Carter had had only four hours of solo flying and was on his sixth solo flight when the crash happened.
Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) experts have removed the wreckage for examination.
The helicopter was owned by the Multiflight aviation company, based at Leeds-Bradford Airport.
'Training flight'
Director Miles Beechan said the two-seater helicopter had left Leeds-Bradford on a "routine training flight" with an instructor on board and had performed a number of circuits from Sandtoft during the morning.
The accident happened on Mr Carter's fourth solo circuit of the afternoon.
In a statement, Mr Beechan added: "Mr Carter had approximately 65 hours of dual flight time on the aircraft type and four hours solo time. The accident flight was his sixth solo flight.
"Multiflight wish to pass on their sympathy to the friends and family of Mr Carter and we are co-operating fully with the AAIB in their investigation into this tragic incident."
Farmer and light aircraft pilot David Cundall, 59, said he was about half a mile (800m) away when he saw the aircraft crash.
He said: "I immediately drove over and on the way got passing motorists to stop and help.
"When I got there the pilot was still strapped into his seat and the canopy of the helicopter was split open.
"It was obvious he had serious injuries and there was nothing I could do for him."
Sandtoft is 16 miles (26km) from Doncaster in South Yorkshire and 12 miles (19km) from Scunthorpe in North Lincolnshire.
Kim Carter, 54, from Bradford, died when the Robinson R22 aircraft crashed on land next to the M180 at Sandtoft, North Lincolnshire, on Saturday.
Mr Carter had had only four hours of solo flying and was on his sixth solo flight when the crash happened.
Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) experts have removed the wreckage for examination.
The helicopter was owned by the Multiflight aviation company, based at Leeds-Bradford Airport.
'Training flight'
Director Miles Beechan said the two-seater helicopter had left Leeds-Bradford on a "routine training flight" with an instructor on board and had performed a number of circuits from Sandtoft during the morning.
The accident happened on Mr Carter's fourth solo circuit of the afternoon.
In a statement, Mr Beechan added: "Mr Carter had approximately 65 hours of dual flight time on the aircraft type and four hours solo time. The accident flight was his sixth solo flight.
"Multiflight wish to pass on their sympathy to the friends and family of Mr Carter and we are co-operating fully with the AAIB in their investigation into this tragic incident."
Farmer and light aircraft pilot David Cundall, 59, said he was about half a mile (800m) away when he saw the aircraft crash.
He said: "I immediately drove over and on the way got passing motorists to stop and help.
"When I got there the pilot was still strapped into his seat and the canopy of the helicopter was split open.
"It was obvious he had serious injuries and there was nothing I could do for him."
Sandtoft is 16 miles (26km) from Doncaster in South Yorkshire and 12 miles (19km) from Scunthorpe in North Lincolnshire.
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Multiflight Website
I see that Multiflight (I assume as a mark of respect) have removed the picture of G-FIRS from their website.
http://www.multiflight.com/flight-training-centre/our-aircraft.php
Unfortunately, the web tech removed the thumbnail but forgot to remove the link to the actual photograph!
If anybody here has contacts at MF can they kindly let them know please.
Condolences to all involved....
http://www.multiflight.com/flight-training-centre/our-aircraft.php
Unfortunately, the web tech removed the thumbnail but forgot to remove the link to the actual photograph!
If anybody here has contacts at MF can they kindly let them know please.
Condolences to all involved....
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