The end of the J-visa.
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nice to see your so grateful for the oppotunities that the us has offered so many there darren and now things aint going your way you get the knives out. typical behaviour
nice to see your so grateful for the oppotunities that the us has offered so many there darren and now things aint going your way you get the knives out. typical behaviour
Gentlemen please, let's not allow this interesting thread to turn into personal squabbles as in a very well known other helicopters site.
Let us conduct ourselves honorably and only post messages written in the English Language so that most of us can read them.
Gentlemen please, let's not allow this interesting thread to turn into personal squabbles as in a very well known other helicopters site.
Let us conduct ourselves honorably and only post messages written in the English Language so that most of us can read them.
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well what more proof do you need to pull the plug on the visa?I can not understand a freakin work of the posts here from people who have english as a 2nd language.So if you have been dreaming of being a helicopter pilot from the age of 3 and a half and you beg steal and borrow to get to that flight school and you meet your instructor and it says hey low diss ear be dee helly-o-kop-ta-ee-oo then keep on driving
well what more proof do you need to pull the plug on the visa?I can not understand a freakin work of the posts here from people who have english as a 2nd language.So if you have been dreaming of being a helicopter pilot from the age of 3 and a half and you beg steal and borrow to get to that flight school and you meet your instructor and it says hey low diss ear be dee helly-o-kop-ta-ee-oo then keep on driving
wigwamwilly, thank you for making it all so clear now.
wigwamwilly, thank you for making it all so clear now.
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nice to see your so grateful for the oppotunities that the us has offered so many there darren and now things aint going your way you get the knives out. typical behaviour
As for the US giving me opportunities, I'm the one that has(and still is) pumped about $130k of my hard earned (IRISH) cash into this economy. This was and still is a business relationship and the only reason I'm still here is because my Flight instructor/now Wife wants me here while I'm studying for the JAA ATPL(H) exams. I'm also trying to get her to do the JAA tests so we can move back, but she's a little lazy about studying!!!
I see this decision as a bad one for all parties involved including the US. Of all the people that I know that overstayed the J1 are young people that decided to blow their 2 years earnings on a 3 month drinking binge across the US before going home to start their careers. They're not people that come here and send money back home or have babies in order to screw the system.
My original question was, What do you guys think the chances are that the new administration will change these new rules at some point in their term? His foreign policy seems to be more diplomatic than the current.
Ooh, and I came here on an M1, as the school that I liked didn't do J1's.
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wigwamwilly,
Before criticising the English of those who profess it to be their second language, I suggest that you "first cast out the beam out of thine own eye".
This is not exclusively a forum for those whose first language is English and those who have it as a second language have every bit as much right as you to comment.
Before criticising the English of those who profess it to be their second language, I suggest that you "first cast out the beam out of thine own eye".
well (it's customary to start a sentence with a capital letter) what more proof do you need to pull the plug on the visa?I (it's normal when typing, to insert one or two spaces after a full stop) can not understand a freakin (if you're going to abbreviate a word such as freaking, it's normal to insert an apostrophe in place of the missing letter) work of the posts here from people who have english (the language is English) as a 2nd language.So if you have been
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Gordy,
Actually, either usage is correct, depending on which side of the Atlantic you live:
'Spelt' is the traditional British form but it's not recognised in most other parts of the world. (i.e. it's not part of 'international english').
'Spelled' is creeping in from the US and seems to be the accepted form for many British newspapers.
According to the OED, irrespective of the form chosen, the correct way of pronouncing the word is 'spelt'. This is unusual because it's normally the US form of a word which matches spelling with pronunciation; here it's the British form which does so.
Bomber,
Yours is a common misconception. People assume that none is a condensed form of no one or not one. As both always take a singular verb, the argument goes, so must none. However, the amateur etymologisers have got it slightly but seriously wrong. Our modern form none comes from the Old English nan. Though this is indeed a contraction of ne an, no one, it was inflected in Old English and had different forms in singular and plural, showing that it was commonly used both ways — King Alfred used it in the plural as far back as the year 888.
The Oxford English Dictionary has a whole section on the plural form of none, pointing out that it is frequently used to mean “no persons” (with writers preferring no one when they mean the singular) and that historical records show that its use in the plural is actually more common than in the singular. On modern usage, the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of English Usage says, “It appears that writers generally make it singular or plural according to whatever their idea is when they write”.
None of this, of course, has any relevance to this thread which has drifted totally off course and degenerated into some kind of slanging match. I dare say that many people carrying out training in the USA don't like the place, but they have gone there to learn to fly, not to enjoy a holiday. The decision will undoubtedly have a short-term impact on the number of pilots being trained as few countries can compete with the USA in terms of training costs. It will have a tiny impact on the American economy as a whole, but quite a large impact (for now) on the flying training industry in that country. However, demand for training is likely to remain about the same and a number of people will now have to postpone their plans until they have saved more, or some of the larger companies such as Bristow and CHC may have to consider reintroducing sponsored training schemes.
Actually, either usage is correct, depending on which side of the Atlantic you live:
'Spelt' is the traditional British form but it's not recognised in most other parts of the world. (i.e. it's not part of 'international english').
'Spelled' is creeping in from the US and seems to be the accepted form for many British newspapers.
According to the OED, irrespective of the form chosen, the correct way of pronouncing the word is 'spelt'. This is unusual because it's normally the US form of a word which matches spelling with pronunciation; here it's the British form which does so.
Bomber,
Yours is a common misconception. People assume that none is a condensed form of no one or not one. As both always take a singular verb, the argument goes, so must none. However, the amateur etymologisers have got it slightly but seriously wrong. Our modern form none comes from the Old English nan. Though this is indeed a contraction of ne an, no one, it was inflected in Old English and had different forms in singular and plural, showing that it was commonly used both ways — King Alfred used it in the plural as far back as the year 888.
The Oxford English Dictionary has a whole section on the plural form of none, pointing out that it is frequently used to mean “no persons” (with writers preferring no one when they mean the singular) and that historical records show that its use in the plural is actually more common than in the singular. On modern usage, the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of English Usage says, “It appears that writers generally make it singular or plural according to whatever their idea is when they write”.
None of this, of course, has any relevance to this thread which has drifted totally off course and degenerated into some kind of slanging match. I dare say that many people carrying out training in the USA don't like the place, but they have gone there to learn to fly, not to enjoy a holiday. The decision will undoubtedly have a short-term impact on the number of pilots being trained as few countries can compete with the USA in terms of training costs. It will have a tiny impact on the American economy as a whole, but quite a large impact (for now) on the flying training industry in that country. However, demand for training is likely to remain about the same and a number of people will now have to postpone their plans until they have saved more, or some of the larger companies such as Bristow and CHC may have to consider reintroducing sponsored training schemes.
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wigwam,
That would probably depend on your definition of "captive" as over here in Nigeria many of us are captives
. At the moment I'm a 'willing' captive, held in a compound for my own safety, on the instructions of my company. This is nominally a 'good thing' as I have access to satellite TV and the internet (though the connection is always slow and frequently unavailable) and am happy and safe 
. This is to stop my becoming an 'unwilling' captive where my only interface with the internet would be as the subject of a security notice and I would be unhappy and under constant threat of death 
. Actually, whilst the room is not round, it is somewhat dark because there's a huge, dark cumulonimbus sitting almost overhead, so I'll doubtless lose both my internet and satellite TV connections soon 
That would probably depend on your definition of "captive" as over here in Nigeria many of us are captives
. At the moment I'm a 'willing' captive, held in a compound for my own safety, on the instructions of my company. This is nominally a 'good thing' as I have access to satellite TV and the internet (though the connection is always slow and frequently unavailable) and am happy and safe . This is to stop my becoming an 'unwilling' captive where my only interface with the internet would be as the subject of a security notice and I would be unhappy and under constant threat of death . Actually, whilst the room is not round, it is somewhat dark because there's a huge, dark cumulonimbus sitting almost overhead, so I'll doubtless lose both my internet and satellite TV connections soon
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You obviously do not like it in the US, therefore, feel free to leave.
By the way, it is "spelled" NOT "spelt".
So, anyone got any insight into my original question??
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How the end of the J1 visa will affect the flight training industry in the US. How it will affect both Americans & Foreigners. And how it will affect schools in other countries.
That seemed to be the general gist of it until some people(including Myself) hijacked it. Sorry about that.
That seemed to be the general gist of it until some people(including Myself) hijacked it. Sorry about that.
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I have two good friends from Europe . . . . . who could have been spared the agony of getting married respectively to a fat Florida and Louisiana girl in order to stay in the U.S. after their visa expired!!
One of them says he would have rather stayed in the Army in Europe than dragging kids and the wife to the Walmart on a hot muggy day!!!
One of them says he would have rather stayed in the Army in Europe than dragging kids and the wife to the Walmart on a hot muggy day!!!
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this just about sums it all up mike click below and play the video at 2 mins 15 secs
YouTube - Little Britain - Fat Fighters w/ Margaree
YouTube - Little Britain - Fat Fighters w/ Margaree
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Dear Wigwamwilly,
I went through (THRU) my posts. All words in English strangely enough.
I do agree that using few less frequent words, long sentences and writing style more suitable for book does indeed expose me to such comments of yours.
I shall not become sycophant condoning your supercillious attitude and remarks (I AIN'T GONNA BE YOUR BROWNNOSER).
I did profoundly apologise for my use of plethora of words. (I SHOULD USE PLAIN ENGLISH)
I insisted it had not been due to certain nocturnal (NITE) habits.
I should therefore keep track (TRAK) of my word count.
Americans rape Queen's English as well - not just non-native speakers.
I should avoid describing you or giving my opinion since you speak for yourself 'loud and clear'.
Almost ON TOPIC:
IF American student can't train with FAA CERTIFIED instructors (due to language), then I believe it is not so much of a problem of them. Everyone speaking English as foreign language is entitled to an accent. Surely, too strong or people not understanding them can cause problems. Also, you should doubt the school employing such instructors IF they REALLY speak JIBBERISH.
If foreigners don't understand Scottish, Ohio or Tennessee accent, it's their fault. If English speakers don't understand English spoken with strong accent, it's foreigners' fault again. How convenient.
ON TOPIC:
DPH, I mentioned that the US gov't used such wording 'intent' etc before regarding curtailing J1 visas for flight students to 18months or 1 month of 'practical experience' for every 3 or 4 months of instructing.
Hard fact is that they stopped authorising more schools and screwed over Quantum before they officially stopped doing so.
If it all goes through in 2010 or around that time, I can see more students from Europe simply getting PPL, IR and hourbuilding as fast as they can. Less spending on living in the US with high expense for aircraft hire. It may not be that easy for rotary if schools would require more experience to rent helis for extended XC. Not to mentioned need for instructor for maneuvres.
Whatever happens, it won't be pure disaster but rather obstacle for helicopter pilots starting career.
I went through (THRU) my posts. All words in English strangely enough.
I do agree that using few less frequent words, long sentences and writing style more suitable for book does indeed expose me to such comments of yours.
I shall not become sycophant condoning your supercillious attitude and remarks (I AIN'T GONNA BE YOUR BROWNNOSER).
I did profoundly apologise for my use of plethora of words. (I SHOULD USE PLAIN ENGLISH)
I insisted it had not been due to certain nocturnal (NITE) habits.
I should therefore keep track (TRAK) of my word count.
Americans rape Queen's English as well - not just non-native speakers.
I should avoid describing you or giving my opinion since you speak for yourself 'loud and clear'.
Almost ON TOPIC:
IF American student can't train with FAA CERTIFIED instructors (due to language), then I believe it is not so much of a problem of them. Everyone speaking English as foreign language is entitled to an accent. Surely, too strong or people not understanding them can cause problems. Also, you should doubt the school employing such instructors IF they REALLY speak JIBBERISH.
If foreigners don't understand Scottish, Ohio or Tennessee accent, it's their fault. If English speakers don't understand English spoken with strong accent, it's foreigners' fault again. How convenient.
ON TOPIC:
DPH, I mentioned that the US gov't used such wording 'intent' etc before regarding curtailing J1 visas for flight students to 18months or 1 month of 'practical experience' for every 3 or 4 months of instructing.
Hard fact is that they stopped authorising more schools and screwed over Quantum before they officially stopped doing so.
If it all goes through in 2010 or around that time, I can see more students from Europe simply getting PPL, IR and hourbuilding as fast as they can. Less spending on living in the US with high expense for aircraft hire. It may not be that easy for rotary if schools would require more experience to rent helis for extended XC. Not to mentioned need for instructor for maneuvres.
Whatever happens, it won't be pure disaster but rather obstacle for helicopter pilots starting career.
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ivor,
sure schools in the UK won't mind having couple more students.
Those who can sell house in the UK or remortgage or get huge loan will train either way. Just not sure whether they wouldn't head to Australia, NZ or SA instead. Still cheaper than UK.
As for 'ailing', people here mention shortage of instructors in the UK. Maybe not every school, but if there's less guys coming back from Bristows with JAA papers and FI rating, there'd be less available instructors, right? I'm not talking about lucky guys with excess of 1000 hours or even spare cash for JAA IR(H) in Billund or wherever.
What about those who can't get enough cash for flying so much in the UK? Would they sacrifice another x years just to get it all done to JAA min hours for instructing, even with some hourbuilding in the US after PPL?
sure schools in the UK won't mind having couple more students.
Those who can sell house in the UK or remortgage or get huge loan will train either way. Just not sure whether they wouldn't head to Australia, NZ or SA instead. Still cheaper than UK.
As for 'ailing', people here mention shortage of instructors in the UK. Maybe not every school, but if there's less guys coming back from Bristows with JAA papers and FI rating, there'd be less available instructors, right? I'm not talking about lucky guys with excess of 1000 hours or even spare cash for JAA IR(H) in Billund or wherever.
What about those who can't get enough cash for flying so much in the UK? Would they sacrifice another x years just to get it all done to JAA min hours for instructing, even with some hourbuilding in the US after PPL?