SARH to go
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Almost 8 days and no posts on this thread - must be a record!
Seriously, and trying to drag this thread back to it's main subject, when can we expect more news on the contract award?
Bueller....Bueller....Anyone....
Seriously, and trying to drag this thread back to it's main subject, when can we expect more news on the contract award?
Bueller....Bueller....Anyone....
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From: EGDC
I don't think it is slipping over the horizon, the process was accelerated by AW/Bristows pulling out as there are now only 2 bidders to choose from.
There is a rumour on another thread tha Bristows might be buying out BIH which would put them back into the SARH race!
There is a rumour on another thread tha Bristows might be buying out BIH which would put them back into the SARH race!
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There is a rumour on another thread tha Bristows might be buying out BIH which would
Interesting, but will we still end up with either a Canadian company operating American aircraft or an American company operating French aircraft?
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From: EGDC
Wiretensioner - no but I listen to what people say about winching with it and those that have say it is horrendous underneath the aircraft in the downwash. Try doing a cliffsticker with that..or a surfer or any small vessel for that matter. Great for going fast and doing big boat rescues but for most of the jobs I get to do - pretty useless. Ask the Canadians about it's downwash and operating into small LSs.
Leopold - as the Danes have shown, there are still those who believe the AW sales patter
Leopold - as the Danes have shown, there are still those who believe the AW sales patter
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Leopold - as the Danes have shown, there are still those who believe the AW sales pat
And the Yanks, India, Saudi, Portugal, Italy, RAF, RN, Canada, Japan,etc. Not enough space to list the 139 customers unfortunately.
Quiet day on shift?
Quiet day on shift?
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I listen to what people say about winching with it and those that have say it is horrendous underneath the aircraft in the downwash. Try doing a cliffsticker with that..or a surfer or any small vessel for that matter. Great for going fast and doing big boat rescues but for most of the jobs I get to do - pretty useless.
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Great for going fast and doing big boat rescues but for most of the jobs I get to do
So what you really need is a big, fast helicopter for those long-range jobs and a small, powerful helicopter for your normal "Johnny on his Li-Lo/cliff stickers/man overboard"? Mixed fleet anyone?
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Can I go off on a little tangent though sort of contractual!!?
2 Q's
What are the legal or moral requirements for the equipment of coastguard aircrew when working in the offshore environment, I'm talking personnal safety equipment etc, what is required and what do those of you in the business think is required. - Note; I've said coastguard aircrew, so thats fixed and rotary wing.
Just to get you started I was told the other day that one could legally send people out in shirt and tie if they (you know who I mean) wanted to. I was also told that when it comes to risk assessments there was a limit to the amount of effort that could be expended on reducing risk, ie; 'you have to draw the line somewhere' - Should we?
Answers and thoughts please!
2 Q's
What are the legal or moral requirements for the equipment of coastguard aircrew when working in the offshore environment, I'm talking personnal safety equipment etc, what is required and what do those of you in the business think is required. - Note; I've said coastguard aircrew, so thats fixed and rotary wing.
Just to get you started I was told the other day that one could legally send people out in shirt and tie if they (you know who I mean) wanted to. I was also told that when it comes to risk assessments there was a limit to the amount of effort that could be expended on reducing risk, ie; 'you have to draw the line somewhere' - Should we?
Answers and thoughts please!
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TT,
I'm no expert in this area, but there are actually 2 lines ...
ALARP - As Low As Reasonably Practicable
ALARA - As Low As Reasonably Acheivable
The diference between them being the amount of time, effort and money needed to reach the latter. I leave it to you to work out which the beancounters prefer to aim for.
I'm no expert in this area, but there are actually 2 lines ...
ALARP - As Low As Reasonably Practicable
ALARA - As Low As Reasonably Acheivable
The diference between them being the amount of time, effort and money needed to reach the latter. I leave it to you to work out which the beancounters prefer to aim for.
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Just to get you started I was told the other day that one could legally send people out in shirt and tie if they (you know who I mean) wanted to.
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MT, could you break that down a bit more, Survival one crewmans immersion or something else? overalls in the summer? LSJ? STASS/ / HEEDs bottle? strap cutters / knife? Woolies? gloves? And your employer will pay for this?!!
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From: EGDC
Limpopo - not before my time at all. They used to winch at 20' in the Whirlwind I believe and we used 30' in the Wessex - now we are 50' in the Sea King - how high would you choose to operate in a 101?
If you can't hover over the casualty, how on earth are you going to effect a winch rescue? It's all very well saying adjust your procedures but there are practical limits, as I'm sure you know, to how far away you can be from the casualty and still maintain an accurate hover, especially at night.
Those I know who have been in the water under a Merlin say it is a great deal worse than a Sea King, to the point where the downwash can submerge a person in the water.
There is only so far you can go to mitigate the effects of the downwash and I believe that the EH101 is unsuitable for around 70% of UK SAR jobs for that reason.
Just to give a recent example - we rescued a kayaker with a dislocated hip in S Wales last week, he was at the bottom of a steep, wooded gorge and we winched from about 120' through trees to get him. The downwash with a few knots of wind on the nose was not sufficient to cause a hazard but a 101downwash would very likely have been breaking branches off , putting the ground party at great risk of being injured themselves. We had to be down near tree-top height for references so climbing wasn't an option.
If someone built a high-speed Wessex with up to date avionics and a radar then you would probably have the perfect UK SAR cab And if we don't get a mixed fleet in 2012, I will be very surprised indeed.
Leopold - apparently, British Leyland sold a great many cars - it doesn't mean they were any good though
If you can't hover over the casualty, how on earth are you going to effect a winch rescue? It's all very well saying adjust your procedures but there are practical limits, as I'm sure you know, to how far away you can be from the casualty and still maintain an accurate hover, especially at night.
Those I know who have been in the water under a Merlin say it is a great deal worse than a Sea King, to the point where the downwash can submerge a person in the water.
There is only so far you can go to mitigate the effects of the downwash and I believe that the EH101 is unsuitable for around 70% of UK SAR jobs for that reason.
Just to give a recent example - we rescued a kayaker with a dislocated hip in S Wales last week, he was at the bottom of a steep, wooded gorge and we winched from about 120' through trees to get him. The downwash with a few knots of wind on the nose was not sufficient to cause a hazard but a 101downwash would very likely have been breaking branches off , putting the ground party at great risk of being injured themselves. We had to be down near tree-top height for references so climbing wasn't an option.
If someone built a high-speed Wessex with up to date avionics and a radar then you would probably have the perfect UK SAR cab
And if we don't get a mixed fleet in 2012, I will be very surprised indeed.Leopold - apparently, British Leyland sold a great many cars - it doesn't mean they were any good though
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Just one visit, 2 years ago, by a Merlin to our local hospital pad, (then listed in the RAF HLS Directory and used many times previously by SAR Wessex/ Seaking) ended up with the pad being deleted entirely from the directory!
......something to do with the number of claims due downwash damage, I believe.
......something to do with the number of claims due downwash damage, I believe.