Cleveland Police go it alone!!!!!!!!
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facts and figures.
Why you may ask, even the chief mr price is aware of public feeling with regards to money being spent in Cleveland.
He lists this outline for capital spending. I noticed Air Support is over £4m and one of the highest expenditures by the small force.
The Capital Plan is set out in the table below.
He lists this outline for capital spending. I noticed Air Support is over £4m and one of the highest expenditures by the small force.
The Capital Plan is set out in the table below.
Capital Plan 2009-13
2009-10
2010-11
http://www.cleveland.police.uk/downl...ce_section.pdf
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13
£000s
£000s
EXPENDITURE
Air Support Programme
1,500,000
4,505,000
100,000
2012-13
£000s
£000s
EXPENDITURE
Air Support Programme
1,500,000
4,505,000
100,000
http://www.cleveland.police.uk/downl...ce_section.pdf
In this Cleveland Police Authority report Councillor McLuckie states he wont make any cuts to officers in 2009. He is now making 230 POLICE officers redundant.
Police authority chair pledges ?no officer cuts?
Police authority chair pledges ?no officer cuts?
CC Sean Price comments on the fact that the public are becoming concerned about the spending taking place in Cleveland.
"I am acutely aware of how tight finances have become for many local families and how even the smallest percentage rises in the local precept can impact. Similarly, I am aware that every pound the police take from the Exchequer nationally is a pound that doesn’t go to Health or Education or other public services"
Statement from the Chief Constable Sean Price regarding Project I
"I am acutely aware of how tight finances have become for many local families and how even the smallest percentage rises in the local precept can impact. Similarly, I am aware that every pound the police take from the Exchequer nationally is a pound that doesn’t go to Health or Education or other public services"
Statement from the Chief Constable Sean Price regarding Project I
I havent heard Councillor McLuckie saying he will also stop claiming his vast expenses?
BBC News - Cleveland Police Authority agrees to cut 230 officers
BBC News - Cleveland Police Authority agrees to cut 230 officers
I noticed we have some police officers and Cleveland staff commenting on this site, could they provide more accurate figures about HOW much Cleveland Air Support costs each year?
I know it was £800,000 when they were part of the consortium as the figures are well published by that fine force Northumbria, but how much does the unit now cost?
I believe the pilotage is over £500,000 a year.
The a/c insurance must be very high with leaving the helicopter on the pad all night next to a chainlink fence! How much does that cost alone?
Mr McLuckie also went on the record at a CPA meeting to say they had to find an EXTRA £500,000 per year for the seperate new PBH engine and airframe contracts since leaving the large 3 force consortium.
Does this combined with the hangar, office, fuel costs come to nearly £2,000,000 a year?
I would have thought the various police officers commentating here, would not want to see those 230 collegues lose their jobs in Cleveland due to them not wanting to share an a/c with Northumbria and Durham.
Facts and figures please.
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He is now making 230 POLICE officers redundant.
Facts and figures please.
If this force is talking about losing Police Officer establishment posts, they can only be lost by natural wastage, ie not recruiting.
Are the posts you are talking about civilian staff ?
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cops not civilian posts to go.
Civilian posts have alreay been moved to Steria private firm.
The 230 police officers are losing their jobs as mentioned by the CPA chief chap here.
BBC News - Cleveland Police Authority agrees to cut 230 officers
If it can happen in Cleveland it can happen in any force I would have thought?
The 230 police officers are losing their jobs as mentioned by the CPA chief chap here.
BBC News - Cleveland Police Authority agrees to cut 230 officers
If it can happen in Cleveland it can happen in any force I would have thought?
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No, these are not redundancies...
Police officers are crown servants and CANNOT be made redundant..
That applies to all england and wales.
the piece reads
These posts will be lost by natural wastage.
Police officers are crown servants and CANNOT be made redundant..
That applies to all england and wales.
the piece reads
Cleveland Police Authority said the force's officer establishment would reduce from 1,727 to 1,572 over the next 12 months.
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Now the ultimate question for Props, Lynxnm et al;
What price a life?
"THE dramatic rescue of a vulnerable woman stuck in a woodland gully was captured on camera from a police helicopter."
LINK
No doubt the usual characters will notice the phrase, 'After a lengthy search' and have something to say about it, however all I will say, and it is something that I have been told off by lynx no more for saying before, is;
Well done Cleveland Police.
"THE dramatic rescue of a vulnerable woman stuck in a woodland gully was captured on camera from a police helicopter."
LINK
Air support, uniformed officers and Cleveland and Scarborough Search and Rescue team staff were deployed to Hutton Woods. After a lengthy search, staff in the helicopter spotted someone lying face down in a ditch.
The aircraft landed and one officer climbed down to where the woman was found semi-conscious and breathing but suffering from the effects of the cold.
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Inspector Simon Wilkinson, head of the air support unit, said: “This was an excellent piece of teamwork involving several other agencies but without the involvement and actions of the air support officers this lady may not have been found at all.
“There is every chance we saved her life.”
The aircraft landed and one officer climbed down to where the woman was found semi-conscious and breathing but suffering from the effects of the cold.
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Inspector Simon Wilkinson, head of the air support unit, said: “This was an excellent piece of teamwork involving several other agencies but without the involvement and actions of the air support officers this lady may not have been found at all.
“There is every chance we saved her life.”
No doubt the usual characters will notice the phrase, 'After a lengthy search' and have something to say about it, however all I will say, and it is something that I have been told off by lynx no more for saying before, is;
Well done Cleveland Police.
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Any job which saves life is a good job
Silsy I havent told anyone off, I just agree that all air support resources should be available to all forces where ever they are needed especially where casualties are concerned.
A pat on the back for the job, medals all round, and I would make the tea for one and all
If I55 hadnt gone over to Boosbeck to look for the person, it would have been twice the miles for E flight from Leconfield 202 SAR squadron to the south of the scene.
As for the beach party I think one of these cops would have blended in nicely, and saved a few bob. Do they teach this at police training college I wonder
I think the 3rd one gets the vote....can your observer move like this? enjoy.
Keep up the good work everyone
(see how big those letters are Silsy )
A pat on the back for the job, medals all round, and I would make the tea for one and all
If I55 hadnt gone over to Boosbeck to look for the person, it would have been twice the miles for E flight from Leconfield 202 SAR squadron to the south of the scene.
As for the beach party I think one of these cops would have blended in nicely, and saved a few bob. Do they teach this at police training college I wonder
I think the 3rd one gets the vote....can your observer move like this? enjoy.
Keep up the good work everyone
(see how big those letters are Silsy
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lynxnomore;
Sorry, I must have misinterpreted;
If you were to read various posts on other threads that you visit, you will learn that this happens anyway and was happening before and would continue.
Anyway, nice to see that you've learnt to stop digging.
Silsy I havent told anyone off,
No matter how many times you write "Well done Cleveland" in very large text, it still wont wash I'm afraid.
I just agree that all air support resources should be available to all forces where ever they are needed especially where casualties are concerned.
Anyway, nice to see that you've learnt to stop digging.
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Cleveland,Humberside and all the other little places where 'Silsoe Sid' wants to
go on another 'mission' need grounding.
Time to take on board the rational arguments of Props stopped and Lynx no more.
Now before the Coconutter and Silsoe try their bully boy tactics I'll explain
my police air operation experience.
When they were wee boys in their prams I had my aircraft parked next to Julian Verity's sole B206 at Cardiff airport. Mid 1980's and police operations were ad hoc.I had quite a few jolley's with Julian in the days before he moved to Tremorfa.They were BBC and not police paid trips.
In those days South Wales police would only hire a helicopter when they had justify it unlike today when Silsoe will get airborne for another stolen car or some drunken phone call saying Mr Coconutter has not come home and is missing.
(Only to appear next morning when he reveals he crashed out on his
mates sofa and he has a head like a coconut).
In the mid 1990's I was a BBC senior producer in the midlands and was involved in producing a programme that involved the Leicestershire police
ASU. From my experience this has to be the joint force model.
Taxpayers can see why and where the helicopter is used on a daily basis.
Police Helicopter in Leicestershire - Where we've been
There are quite a few older pilots that supply paid advice to MP's while you just want to burn more turbine time.
Theresa May knows the scams and the waste of money on 'training' etc that
goes on.
Wake up and smell the coffee Silsoe.
The writing is on the wall.
regards
Phil
Cleveland,Humberside and all the other little places where 'Silsoe Sid' wants to
go on another 'mission' need grounding.
Time to take on board the rational arguments of Props stopped and Lynx no more.
Now before the Coconutter and Silsoe try their bully boy tactics I'll explain
my police air operation experience.
When they were wee boys in their prams I had my aircraft parked next to Julian Verity's sole B206 at Cardiff airport. Mid 1980's and police operations were ad hoc.I had quite a few jolley's with Julian in the days before he moved to Tremorfa.They were BBC and not police paid trips.
In those days South Wales police would only hire a helicopter when they had justify it unlike today when Silsoe will get airborne for another stolen car or some drunken phone call saying Mr Coconutter has not come home and is missing.
(Only to appear next morning when he reveals he crashed out on his
mates sofa and he has a head like a coconut).
In the mid 1990's I was a BBC senior producer in the midlands and was involved in producing a programme that involved the Leicestershire police
ASU. From my experience this has to be the joint force model.
Taxpayers can see why and where the helicopter is used on a daily basis.
Police Helicopter in Leicestershire - Where we've been
There are quite a few older pilots that supply paid advice to MP's while you just want to burn more turbine time.
Theresa May knows the scams and the waste of money on 'training' etc that
goes on.
Wake up and smell the coffee Silsoe.
The writing is on the wall.
regards
Phil
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Mid 80's, my pram happened to be a Gazelle 
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I guess we are opposite sides Silsoe.
You drive and I advise.
You'll never know the fun of flying where when and how you want.
Your bully boy tactics don't cut ice with me.
Reminds me of a situation 25 years ago at Brize. I parked my private aircraft between a couple of Hercs only to have some lower ranks put chocks around the wheels. No need I said. 'Thats their job' I was told.
Now you are not in a position to argue with me on police air operations. I am not employed like you to drive plod around his patch.
The truth is you are not allowed to comment on forums like this on police air operations or strategy.
If you want to fly a helicopter like us private pilots then no problem but you must remember you are paid by the public to fly and must not get involved in discussions of police air ops.
In two words Silsoe..zip it
You drive and I advise.
You'll never know the fun of flying where when and how you want.
Your bully boy tactics don't cut ice with me.
Reminds me of a situation 25 years ago at Brize. I parked my private aircraft between a couple of Hercs only to have some lower ranks put chocks around the wheels. No need I said. 'Thats their job' I was told.
Now you are not in a position to argue with me on police air operations. I am not employed like you to drive plod around his patch.
The truth is you are not allowed to comment on forums like this on police air operations or strategy.
If you want to fly a helicopter like us private pilots then no problem but you must remember you are paid by the public to fly and must not get involved in discussions of police air ops.
In two words Silsoe..zip it
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Silsoe is paid to fly for the police. He is not allowed to post on here regarding police air ops.
Last time I checked, I hadn't seen your name listed as a Moderator. I was going to moderate this and a number of other posts in this thread, but I think that we will all benefit from them being left for others to form their own opinion of you.
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Last time I checked, I hadn't seen your name listed as a Moderator. I was going to moderate this and a number of other posts in this thread, but I think that we will all benefit from them being left for others to form their own opinion of you.
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Phil, you come across as a complete ar$e and it frightens me that you should be advising anyone in any position of power. Your knowledge is decades out of date and your viewpoints ridiculous and blinkered. I sincerely hope that no decisions are ever taken based on the complete nonsense you spout.
You, sir, have no right at all to discuss air operations and should sod off back to wherever you come from as you have deprived your village of their idiot for long enough.
You, sir, have no right at all to discuss air operations and should sod off back to wherever you come from as you have deprived your village of their idiot for long enough.
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I'll tell you where I come from.
School crossing patrols in county's such as Norfolk and Suffolk are being cut to the bone while high costs such as chief exec's and police helicopters burn vast amounts of public money.
As a pilot of 30 years experience on both fixed wing and helicopters I am happy to support anything that can cut costs.
All the pilots having a go at me here are employed in the public sector. I accept they have an axe to grind.
However the high costs of some aspects of policing can not continue.
There are more basic policing method that do not require £3-5 million of public
spending.
School crossing patrols in county's such as Norfolk and Suffolk are being cut to the bone while high costs such as chief exec's and police helicopters burn vast amounts of public money.
As a pilot of 30 years experience on both fixed wing and helicopters I am happy to support anything that can cut costs.
All the pilots having a go at me here are employed in the public sector. I accept they have an axe to grind.
However the high costs of some aspects of policing can not continue.
There are more basic policing method that do not require £3-5 million of public
spending.
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Well said JAFFO. I think Phil (him in) may be telling an untruth about giving advice, there is no way with his out dated (lack of) knowledge that anyone but a complete fool would listen to him. He's not even very funny anymore.