Conversion FAA ppl H to JAA ppl H

[Sam Rutherford]

Hi All,

I have a friend who wishes to convert his FAA licence. I know this question must have been asked a hundred times but cannot search with three letter words which makes things a little difficult.

Can anyone point me to the latest thread on this?

Thank you all for any help.

Sam.

[NYhelipilot]

For conversion under the UK CAA system, all conversion requirements from ICAO licences/certificates to JAA PPL(H) are listed in Section C of LASORS, which can be downloaded from the CAA website.

This may involve taking all the exams, or only some, depending on the hours flown. Get a medical. Maybe take some instrument training if not already done. Get the RT licence. Take the skill test.

[Phil77]

To the best of my knowledge for a JAA PPL you only need a radio licence in addition to your FAA PPL, no further training or checkride required.
The german authorities even have a standard form online to request the acceptance (not the transition!) of your FAA PPL.
Its kinda like FAA PART §61.75 "Private pilot certificate issued on the basis of a foreign licence".
I think there are two ways: transition or flying on the foreign licence; in JAA-land world I think you are required to fly a certain amount of hours during a period of time, if you don't, your licence expires and you'll start over again! When you get your FAA licence accepted, you can stop flying for years, take a (FAA) flight review, and ask for another "certificate issued on the basis of a foreign licence" from your local JAA authority.

[manfromuncle]

In the UK I think you will need to do "training as necessary" to pass a JAA PPL checkride, this will include 5 hours instrument flying, and 7 ground exams, and an RT oral test.

[manfromuncle]

See below, From LASORS. It seems to depend how many hours you have when converting from FAA to JAA PPL. Bear in mind no flight school will let you sit the skills test without being sure you can fly all the JAA maneuvers well enough to pass, this includes the JAA 'way' of navigating, which differs slightly from the FAA method that is generally taught. And the radio phraseology differences too.


The holder of a current and valid PPL(H)* issued
by an ICAO Contracting State (not being a JAA
Member State), who has flown a minimum of 100
hours and meets the JAR-FCL PPL(H) flying
experience requirements (including 5 hours
instrument instruction) as pilot of helicopters, is
credited the JAR-FCL PPL(H) training
requirements, however they will be required to
undertake the PPL(H) Skill Test on a helicopter
type for which he is qualified. Applicants wishing
to take the PPL(H) Skill Test on a helicopter type
on which they are not qualified will be required to
complete the training requirements for an
additional helicopter type as detailed in Section
F8.

• The holder of a current and valid PPL(H)* issued
by an ICAO Contracting State (not being a JAA
Member State), who has flown less than 100
hours as pilot of helicopters, but meets the
JAR-FCL PPL(H) flying experience requirements
(including 5 hours instrument instruction) is
credited the flying training, except the PPL(H)
Skill Test. Applicants wishing to take the PPL(H)
Skill Test on a helicopter type on which they are
not qualified will be required to complete the
training requirements for an additional helicopter
type as detailed in Section F8.

* If the ICAO licence has expired and/or no valid
helicopter rating has been held for a period exceeding
5 years preceding application, applicants will be
required to complete flying training at the discretion of
the Head of Training of the approved training provider,
and pass the PPL(H) Skill Test.
FULL DETAILS OF THE EXPERIENCE/TRAINING
REQUIREMENTS ARE GIVEN IN JAR-FCL 2
SUBPART C

The holder of a current and valid PPL(H)* issued
by an ICAO Contracting State (not being a JAA
Member State), who has flown a minimum of 100
hours as pilot of helicopters, will be required to
pass written examinations in Air Law and Human
Performance and Limitations. (If no helicopter
rating has been held in the 5 years preceding
application, then all JAR theoretical knowledge
examinations would need to be passed. An
applicant who also wishes to obtain a FRTOL will
be required to pass the JAR-FCL PPL
Communications (PPL) theoretical knowledge
examination and practical communications test
unless they qualify for credit as detailed in
Section B1.4.

*If the ICAO PPL(H) has expired then all JAR
theoretical knowledge exams would need to be
passed.

• The holder of a current and valid PPL(H) issued
by an ICAO Contracting State (not being a JAA
Member State), who has flown less than the
minimum of 100 hours as pilot of helicopters, will
be required to pass all JAR theoretical knowledge
examinations.

[Benoit]

5 hours instruments

Hi,

Anyone knows if the "5 hours instruments" can be made on the FAA licence with an FAA instructor ?

Thanks for help

[manfromuncle]

I think it can, yes.

[Tarhe2A]

flying experience requirements

Hi,

From LASORS C2.2 : "An applicant for a JAR PPL(H) shall have completed at least 45 hours flight time as a pilot of helicopters. A total of 5 hours of these 45 hours may be completed in a Flight & Navigation Procedures Trainer or a Flight Simulator. A FNPT or Flight Simulator used for this purpose must be device qualified and user approved."

How can the 5 hours be approved when made with an FAA instructor ?
Are the hours in dual training (FAA instructor) included in the 45 hours ?

Thanks,

[warmkiter]

Hi

I did my FAA to JAA (H) conversion two years ago and was having the same questions and problems like you.

After looking in the internet i found that Sloane Helicopters at Mallorca was the place to do my conversion and i have to say everything went very smooth. They had the aircraft, knowledge and Checkairmen.

I can only very warmly recommend them...

Lars

[Tarhe2A]

Hi Lars,

I don't search a school, but answers.
Do you mean by "problems" that the answers were "no" ?

Thanks,

[warmkiter]

for the conversion you need a flightschool....

or you have the aircraft and can take the written exams and flight test on your own...

there are also 5 hours of simulated instruments included in the conversion... this means flight instruction...

[jackx123]

from what i recall the skill test is slight different (e.g. auto) and it's probably worthwhile to go to a school to bring you up to speed.

[Tarhe2A]

It's obvious that I need a school.

But my question was related to hours made with an FAA instructor. How to make them approved by the JAA, in order to include them in the flying experience requirements ?

[nouseforaname]

FAA to JAR PPL H

I have got an FAA rotorcraft licence I have about 700hrs PIC. I live in the UK and wish to convert for a JAR/EASA PPL(H).

I also have a JAR PPL(A) (fix-wing licence) since 2003 in the UK. Does anyone know what the conversion criteria would be? I'm trying to work out the timeframe and costs associated with the conversion.

[Curtis E Carr]

From Annex III to Commission Regulation (EU) 1178/2011 ("The Aircrew Regulation")

Pilot licences for non-commercial activities without an instrument rating

5. In the case of private pilot licences, or CPL and ATPL licences without an instrument rating where the pilot intends only to exercise private pilot privileges, the holder shall comply with the following requirements:

(a) demonstrate that he/she has acquired knowledge of Air Law and Human Performance;

(b) pass the PPL skill test as set out in Part-FCL;

(c) fulfil the relevant requirements of Part-FCL for the issuance of a type or class rating as relevant to the privileges of the licence held;

(d) hold at least a Class 2 medical certificate issued in accordance with Annex 1 to the Chicago Convention;

(e) demonstrate that he/she has acquired language proficiency in accordance with FCL.055;

(f) have a minimum experience of at least 100 hours as pilot in the relevant category of aircraft.

[GoodGrief]

It amazes me how people who want to be in command and decisionmakers, that's what you are as a pilot, a decisionmaker, but are unable to retrieve relevant information to base their decisions upon.
You want to convert a licence and let others do the work finding or providing the information, so they may spoonfeed them to you.
I expect a 700hour PIC guy to have a copy of FCL and LASORS at hand and be willing to read it.

Well, what do I know...

[BillieBob]

Not a lot, apparently - LASORS was withdrawn last month, when the UK implemented the EU Aircrew Regulation in place of JAR-FCL, and is no longer available for download. The current 'guidance' document is CAP 804, which is little if any more accurate than its predecessor.

[nouseforaname]

Thanks for the info above. I was just wondering if anyone had any experience of this type of conversion is all. It's not all about just reading up on it and that is what this forum is all about (I thought).