Informal heli nights UK (including arrangements)
Wait till you do the IR for real and Leon asks you to do a hold with a 45kt crosswind. You can try it but it's not gonna work!
Cheers Leon!
Hope anyone who attended found it useful to see what inadvertant IMC is like. Anyone do good/bad? Feedback for others ????
Cheers Leon!
Hope anyone who attended found it useful to see what inadvertant IMC is like. Anyone do good/bad? Feedback for others ????
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I think it took me as long as two minutes to kill myself Started off OK but the concentration required was immense. I physically jumped when I saw ground again, lost it completely and hit the ground at 100kts! 
Very worthwhile experience and thanks to Leon, Phil and Dave.
Cheers
Whirls
Started off OK but the concentration required was immense. I physically jumped when I saw ground again, lost it completely and hit the ground at 100kts! Very worthwhile experience and thanks to Leon, Phil and Dave.
Cheers
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Thanks to all for yesterday evening.
Its very reassuring to hear that there are people within this industry with the knowledge and experience of Leon and Phil that are willing to give up their time for low hour PPLs for no other reason than a common desire to prevent us from becoming statistics and thread discussions on PPRuNe.
It is humbling.
What an eye opener the sim flight into inadvertant IMC was.
It is scary how quick it happens. Reactions take over and hands and feet do things subconsciously. I had to recognise what they were doing and undo the problems before I could tackle the overall situation about getting back to the airfield.
I was so pleased that I managed to get back while keeping the spinny thing up and the skiddy things down (even with a licence from the back of a cereal packet) that I think I relaxed a bit too much and stuffed up the landing. Still it was a lesson learned.
I shall be trying to attend other meetings now and would heartilly recommend others to do the same.
It was also great to put faces to Pprune names.
Nice to meet you all.
Lord Mount
Its very reassuring to hear that there are people within this industry with the knowledge and experience of Leon and Phil that are willing to give up their time for low hour PPLs for no other reason than a common desire to prevent us from becoming statistics and thread discussions on PPRuNe.
It is humbling.
What an eye opener the sim flight into inadvertant IMC was.
It is scary how quick it happens. Reactions take over and hands and feet do things subconsciously. I had to recognise what they were doing and undo the problems before I could tackle the overall situation about getting back to the airfield.
I was so pleased that I managed to get back while keeping the spinny thing up and the skiddy things down (even with a licence from the back of a cereal packet) that I think I relaxed a bit too much and stuffed up the landing. Still it was a lesson learned.
I shall be trying to attend other meetings now and would heartilly recommend others to do the same.
It was also great to put faces to Pprune names.
Nice to meet you all.
Lord Mount
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K77, watch this space. Have spoken to Gary and we're trying to sort something soon, next few weeks we hope.
Gary just busy working for a living right now.
Out of interest, was there a good attendance and if so, many PPRuNers?
Gary just busy working for a living right now.
Out of interest, was there a good attendance and if so, many PPRuNers?
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9 turned up, all ppruners, although some had intended but got stopped at the last minute. From my side of the fence, it's encouraging that people are seeking the knowledge.
Phil
Phil
any ppl'ers manage to say alive long after entry into IMC? Anyone use the instrument flying skills learned from the PPL syllabus and successfully do the 180degree turn and get out of cloud?
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Managed to turn round reasonably successfully but speed was going all over the place. But when I got out of cloud again and saw the ground, I jumped! Everything then when pear-shaped and I crashed close to the airfield.
And this was after me doing a bit of foggles training a few days ago (10 minutes worth!).
Cheers
Whirls
And this was after me doing a bit of foggles training a few days ago (10 minutes worth!).
Cheers
Whirls
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Wycombe sim evening
Helimutt
"any ppl'ers manage to say alive long after entry into IMC? Anyone use the instrument flying skills learned from the PPL syllabus and successfully do the 180degree turn and get out of cloud?"
I managed to get the sim on the ground without crashing - eventually - but my speed was all over the place and I'd have been utterly lost without Leon guiding me back so it was no achievement on my part
. Also I'd watched the two previous attempts and thought through what to do. How many of us would have had the spare mental capacity to call Mayday as well without losing even more control!
I found the experience useful as a reminder but having really been into cloud once under supervision (details withheld to protect the guilty) I can assure you that it's much more frightening for real.
I would hope to expand on the brief discussion we finished with though about a "post PPL(H)" training programme.
When I can afford to I intend to do an intensive "advanced auto's" course and I found the Robinson factory safety DVD thought provoking and fascinating not least for it's use of genuine UK video footage of fatal events. I never fully appreciated how quickly an R22 becomes a stone if the RRPM drops too low until watching the DVD. I'd recommend it.
Safe flying to one and all,
Ian.
"any ppl'ers manage to say alive long after entry into IMC? Anyone use the instrument flying skills learned from the PPL syllabus and successfully do the 180degree turn and get out of cloud?"
I managed to get the sim on the ground without crashing - eventually - but my speed was all over the place and I'd have been utterly lost without Leon guiding me back so it was no achievement on my part
. Also I'd watched the two previous attempts and thought through what to do. How many of us would have had the spare mental capacity to call Mayday as well without losing even more control!I found the experience useful as a reminder but having really been into cloud once under supervision (details withheld to protect the guilty) I can assure you that it's much more frightening for real.
I would hope to expand on the brief discussion we finished with though about a "post PPL(H)" training programme.
When I can afford to I intend to do an intensive "advanced auto's" course and I found the Robinson factory safety DVD thought provoking and fascinating not least for it's use of genuine UK video footage of fatal events. I never fully appreciated how quickly an R22 becomes a stone if the RRPM drops too low until watching the DVD. I'd recommend it.
Safe flying to one and all,
Ian.
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Also you should try an autorotation on Instruments now they need some getting used to I can tell you but it all depends who teaches you. I did three on Monday part of my OPC.
I am glad you all had an excellent time. I hope one day i will make it to one of these evenings.
I am glad you all had an excellent time. I hope one day i will make it to one of these evenings.
Coventry Safety Evening
We got agreement from Coventry airport last week to host the next safety evening in the terminal building.
It looks like the date will be Thursday 4th September 2008, with a kick off around 1830 - 1845, the airport will confirm the date early next week but this is what we are planning.
Anyone who wants to attend needs to let me know at [email protected] (which is the email address on the website, but which doesn't seem to want to appear here) , the airport need a list of attendees.
Further details will appear at Helicopter Safety | Coventry
Cheers
GS
It looks like the date will be Thursday 4th September 2008, with a kick off around 1830 - 1845, the airport will confirm the date early next week but this is what we are planning.
Anyone who wants to attend needs to let me know at [email protected] (which is the email address on the website, but which doesn't seem to want to appear here) , the airport need a list of attendees.
Further details will appear at Helicopter Safety | Coventry
Cheers
GS
Date Confirmed
Date now confirmed by the airport, 4th September.
In the terminal building at Coventry but seemingly not accessed through the terminal, directions to follow shortly 1830 for 1845 start.
We need to advise the airport by close of play on 1 Sep 2008 who is coming , so let me know please.
GS
In the terminal building at Coventry but seemingly not accessed through the terminal, directions to follow shortly 1830 for 1845 start.
We need to advise the airport by close of play on 1 Sep 2008 who is coming , so let me know please.
GS
Coventry Update
We've a good response up to now.
If any I've missed any of the local flying schools in my phone calls in the last few days I apologise, but just in case here is a link to the flyer for the event which can be stuck up on the notice board.
http://www.helicoptersafety.org/pdfs...ry%20flyer.pdf
I've managed to obtain what seems like half the production run of the Heli Routes DVD [Thanks Alan and Collette], and these will be given out free on the night along with some other gizzits we've been promised.
GS
If any I've missed any of the local flying schools in my phone calls in the last few days I apologise, but just in case here is a link to the flyer for the event which can be stuck up on the notice board.
http://www.helicoptersafety.org/pdfs...ry%20flyer.pdf
I've managed to obtain what seems like half the production run of the Heli Routes DVD [Thanks Alan and Collette], and these will be given out free on the night along with some other gizzits we've been promised.
GS
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Gary,
I know you've been a busy bunny but is there any news on the 'fly with a friend' scheme????????
Only asking as the 'season' is slowing and the weather ain't completely ****e yet.
FW
I know you've been a busy bunny but is there any news on the 'fly with a friend' scheme????????
Only asking as the 'season' is slowing and the weather ain't completely ****e yet.
FW
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FW, I thought you already had lots of friends to fly with 