Crash near Harrogate, UK: January 2008
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SilloeSid,
We deal with these things are own way yes, but probably better to leave any levity on the situation to the privacy and reserve of those nearest and dearest, out of respect.
We deal with these things are own way yes, but probably better to leave any levity on the situation to the privacy and reserve of those nearest and dearest, out of respect.
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was flying my gazelle at the same time,some 80 miles south.
if this ever happened to me or my family i really hope the ones left behind never discovered this web site.
RIP condolences to the family
if this ever happened to me or my family i really hope the ones left behind never discovered this web site.
RIP condolences to the family
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As someone who knew the deceased I must say i'm pleased to see that the moderator has removed inappropriate postings.
Now is not the time to criticise or pass judgement.
If only some people had more common sense than some comments shown.
It is a really sad loss of life and those of us around the deceased family and friends can clearly see the effect that this tragic loss has so far had on everyone concerned.
The deceased loved each other very much and at least passed away together in a place that they loved very much.
To those that have passed judgement and criticism please show some respect that some friends and assocaites like myself are reading this thread.
Now is not the time to criticise or pass judgement.
If only some people had more common sense than some comments shown.
It is a really sad loss of life and those of us around the deceased family and friends can clearly see the effect that this tragic loss has so far had on everyone concerned.
The deceased loved each other very much and at least passed away together in a place that they loved very much.
To those that have passed judgement and criticism please show some respect that some friends and assocaites like myself are reading this thread.
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I have only just become aware that the deceased pilot, Paul Spencer, was one of our Rotorheads who posted as escapada.
Regardless of all that has been said here so far, it should remind us of the frailty of life, and how easily it can be taken from us. To the family and friends of Paul, our deepest sympathy.
Regardless of all that has been said here so far, it should remind us of the frailty of life, and how easily it can be taken from us. To the family and friends of Paul, our deepest sympathy.
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Senior Pilot
Paul and his Wife Linda shall be deeply missed.
I shall ensure that your Thoughts and Sympathy are passed onto the remaining family and i'm sure will be greatfully received.
Paul and his Wife Linda shall be deeply missed.
I shall ensure that your Thoughts and Sympathy are passed onto the remaining family and i'm sure will be greatfully received.
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As someone who lives local to this accident and knows Rudding Park very well, I wanted to register just so I could express how sad this was, as we saw this helicopter earlier in the day flying.
I also think its sad the amount of bickering that went on regarding who said what in the forums, !
I know its a rumour site but lets wait and see what the reports say and then a meaningful decussion maybe had.
Life is precious and we should all remember that
Our best wishes go to the family
I also think its sad the amount of bickering that went on regarding who said what in the forums, !
I know its a rumour site but lets wait and see what the reports say and then a meaningful decussion maybe had.
Life is precious and we should all remember that
Our best wishes go to the family
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Well said, Senior Pilot. However, I echo the comments of yakyakyakyak and, should something fail catastrophically or I have a serious visit from Mr Cockup, hope my family would not find this forum. Also, the comments that found their way from here onto some of the on line newspapers,and were mixed with those from the begrudgers and the "if God had meant us to fly" brigade, killed off the little faith I had left in human nature 
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As a newcomer, I was surprised at how insensitive people on this particular thread were. I was a regular visitor before to a UK climbing/mountain forum and as some of you will know many of the followers of this pursuit are strong, non-conformist and individualistic types who do not suffer fools gladly and will readilly tell anyone to f off as they see fit. However, whenever a tragedy arose, the tact and compassion sensed in almost all of the posts arriving on the new thread was impressive. Relatives came onto those threads and said how touched they were by the dozens of posts from fellow climbers and mountain lovers. At the same time, I visited the newspaper websites and - just as with some flying accidents - vile ignorant abuse from smug, armchair dictators and killjoys spilled forth.
One thing I've noticed in the last few months is that there's not much love in the room right now. I'm happy to see suitably qualified professionals shoot down the muppets and the press, they deserve it. But come on, guys, time for a group hug for all the pro's.
MS, ducking a baseball bat..
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Yesterday I just caught the end of a feature about this accident on local TV News in Yorkshire. Implied some sort of report has been published.
Can't find any reference on AAIB website.
Can anyone throw some light on this?
Can't find any reference on AAIB website.
Can anyone throw some light on this?
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it will be aaib bulletin 11/2009 and placed on aaib web page www.aaib.gov.uk
on the 12th november 2009 [tomorrow ]
on the 12th november 2009 [tomorrow ]
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It would appear this TV news department has had some access to the content of the AAIB report before its publication.
Or...perhaps there is some other format of publication of reports preceding the posting of a Pdf on the AAIB website?
Or...perhaps there is some other format of publication of reports preceding the posting of a Pdf on the AAIB website?
The report is now published http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...EW%2011-09.pdf .
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So, another tragic yet totally avoidable accident.
Proving yet again that helicopters can, and do, bite the inexperienced, unwary or overconfident.
Proving yet again that helicopters can, and do, bite the inexperienced, unwary or overconfident.
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As do bicycles, kitchen knives and electric fires.
Misuse them, abuse them or be careless in their use and you'll get hurt.
The avoidance of that is the operator's responsibility, is it not?
Misuse them, abuse them or be careless in their use and you'll get hurt.
The avoidance of that is the operator's responsibility, is it not?
Yet whenever I use a bicycle, kitchen knife or electric fire almost guaranteed sudden death or serious maiming isn't on my mind if I get it just ever so slightly wrong.
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Not sure that the "helicopters can bite" thread is the critical issue in this case.
I thought that the thrust of the report was that the pilot was unwary (or otherwise unable to control the helicopter) because he may not have received adequate training and that he may not have been adequately examined before being issued with a license.
I am not an aviation lawyer by training (another area of law is my interest), but it seems to me that the training organisation, the instructor and the examiner may all be open to claims for financial compensation. If I were a family member, I would be looking into that.
Do we know if any other legal actions are pending as a result of this incident and investigation?
I thought that the thrust of the report was that the pilot was unwary (or otherwise unable to control the helicopter) because he may not have received adequate training and that he may not have been adequately examined before being issued with a license.
I am not an aviation lawyer by training (another area of law is my interest), but it seems to me that the training organisation, the instructor and the examiner may all be open to claims for financial compensation. If I were a family member, I would be looking into that.
Do we know if any other legal actions are pending as a result of this incident and investigation?
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You aren't guaranteed sudden death or serious maiming if you get it "ever so slightly wrong" in a helicopter either, or none of us would be here now. You have to do something very badly wrong/foolish for that. Like going flying in a in a gale with next to no experience...In which case one would think the likely result would be pretty obvious.