Crash near Harrogate, UK: January 2008
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stretch gazelle
its model of gazelle where the cabin has been extended by the original manufacturer to give extra leg room to passengers or extra load space it is slightly longer [by approx 8 inches afiak]
its model of gazelle where the cabin has been extended by the original manufacturer to give extra leg room to passengers or extra load space it is slightly longer [by approx 8 inches afiak]
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When I was about 20, a good friend of mine died in a freak accident relating to a faulty gas heater. I was devastated; I'd never, at that time, lost someone close to me in an accident. But what made it a million times worse was the lack of information. No-one would say what happened. They all clammed up, saying an official investigation was needed. They treated friends and relatives with kid gloves, when some would have welcomed any sort of discussion and speculation, as a way of doing something.
Everyone's different. I suspect that in the this case the last thing that many relatives would want to do is get on the internet and listen to a load of people like us! But those that do would be people like I was at 20, who wanted truth, openness, discussion, entirely normal speculation and to be treated like an adult human being, not as a rather stupid child just because someone close to us had died. And if the press quote us, so be it. Most people are intelligent enough to realise that a journalist quoting a rumour forum is...just that! People don't lost their marbles just because someone close to them is killed.
So let's stop insulting each other and getting paranoid. This is a very sad incident, and prooners beating each other up doesn't help anyone.
When I was about 20, a good friend of mine died in a freak accident relating to a faulty gas heater. I was devastated; I'd never, at that time, lost someone close to me in an accident. But what made it a million times worse was the lack of information. No-one would say what happened. They all clammed up, saying an official investigation was needed. They treated friends and relatives with kid gloves, when some would have welcomed any sort of discussion and speculation, as a way of doing something.
Everyone's different. I suspect that in the this case the last thing that many relatives would want to do is get on the internet and listen to a load of people like us! But those that do would be people like I was at 20, who wanted truth, openness, discussion, entirely normal speculation and to be treated like an adult human being, not as a rather stupid child just because someone close to us had died. And if the press quote us, so be it. Most people are intelligent enough to realise that a journalist quoting a rumour forum is...just that! People don't lost their marbles just because someone close to them is killed.
So let's stop insulting each other and getting paranoid. This is a very sad incident, and prooners beating each other up doesn't help anyone.
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A tragic accident indeed.
I live about 2 miles from Rudding Park and fly regularly from a strip locally. I am not a rotary wing pilot but 12,000 hour commercial/light aircraft pilot and aircraft builder.
The speculation about weather has to be taken into account. That afternoon I was logging in the paddock and there is no way I would have wanted to be flying, either fixed wing or rotary wing - yes I do know about helo's ability to handle turbulence.
We lost 4 tiles the night before, I was still recovering covers, bird tables etc that afternoon so IMHO, the only reason to be flying that afternoon would be by Rescue Services, it was not a pleasure flying day.
I live about 2 miles from Rudding Park and fly regularly from a strip locally. I am not a rotary wing pilot but 12,000 hour commercial/light aircraft pilot and aircraft builder.
The speculation about weather has to be taken into account. That afternoon I was logging in the paddock and there is no way I would have wanted to be flying, either fixed wing or rotary wing - yes I do know about helo's ability to handle turbulence.
We lost 4 tiles the night before, I was still recovering covers, bird tables etc that afternoon so IMHO, the only reason to be flying that afternoon would be by Rescue Services, it was not a pleasure flying day.
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What I dislike in threads of this sort is folk assuming pilot error before the facts are known. When the facts are known, we are then in a position to express an opinion. Until then it's just guess and hunch that might be very unfair to a pilot
Also, families may not read this forum but there's a good chance they'll read what the newspapers say about the crash and if the newspapers report criricisms of a pilot posted here by other pilots it's bound to upset them.
It's even worse when passengers are killed. Folk assuming pilot error is blaming a pilot for killing someone else.
Maybe there was pilot error in this crash maybe not. There could have been a major malfunction that caused the crash. Better to hold your horses until there's some facts to work on.
Also, families may not read this forum but there's a good chance they'll read what the newspapers say about the crash and if the newspapers report criricisms of a pilot posted here by other pilots it's bound to upset them.
It's even worse when passengers are killed. Folk assuming pilot error is blaming a pilot for killing someone else.
Maybe there was pilot error in this crash maybe not. There could have been a major malfunction that caused the crash. Better to hold your horses until there's some facts to work on.
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Flew some very happy hours in G-SKUL with a previous owner. Bloody good machine and well loved.
Dave Reid UK the 7 inch stretch makes a huge legroom increase in the back.
By far my favourite of all helicopters is the stretch Gazelle.
Dave Reid UK the 7 inch stretch makes a huge legroom increase in the back.
By far my favourite of all helicopters is the stretch Gazelle.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770
Some direct quotes from this thread chaps.
However Internet forums used by helicopter pilots have suggested the windy weather was a factor, and some who claimed to know Mr Spencer said he was an inexperienced pilot and had only just taken delivery of the aircraft.
Strong winds had buffeted much of the north of England on Friday, and although they had begun to die down, conditions were still blustery.
One, calling himself Nigel H, wrote: "Gazelle just delivered today. Sounds like he couldn't resist having a play later on. I would not have been up there today."
Another, "Antarctic Chap", commented: "The landing site at Rudding is difficult even on a good day due to trees on the approach.
"With the winds as high as they have been today it would have been tricky to say the least. If only they could have waited until tomorrow to enjoy their new machine in hopefully lesser wind speeds."
Others claimed Mr Spencer only had 46 hours' flying experience in helicopters, although one said the businessman had flown the Gazelle to Denmark and back with a more experienced pilot. Neither staff at Country Baskets' headquarters in Ardsley East, near Leeds, nor the couple's fellow director, Stephen Wood, were prepared to comment.
Some direct quotes from this thread chaps.
However Internet forums used by helicopter pilots have suggested the windy weather was a factor, and some who claimed to know Mr Spencer said he was an inexperienced pilot and had only just taken delivery of the aircraft.
Strong winds had buffeted much of the north of England on Friday, and although they had begun to die down, conditions were still blustery.
One, calling himself Nigel H, wrote: "Gazelle just delivered today. Sounds like he couldn't resist having a play later on. I would not have been up there today."
Another, "Antarctic Chap", commented: "The landing site at Rudding is difficult even on a good day due to trees on the approach.
"With the winds as high as they have been today it would have been tricky to say the least. If only they could have waited until tomorrow to enjoy their new machine in hopefully lesser wind speeds."
Others claimed Mr Spencer only had 46 hours' flying experience in helicopters, although one said the businessman had flown the Gazelle to Denmark and back with a more experienced pilot. Neither staff at Country Baskets' headquarters in Ardsley East, near Leeds, nor the couple's fellow director, Stephen Wood, were prepared to comment.
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The Daily Mail Online allows readers to send in their own comments about a particular story and some of the comments published underneath this story are really out of order; does the Mail not moderate their 'comments' section?
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Acknowledging this is a "side thread" to some extent, but what are the typical circumstances under which a UK registered a/c re-registers as a Serbian one. Assuming in this case the Gazelle was not intended to be flown extensivley in Serbia that is ?
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sad day
drove past yesterday and wondered what the police cars were about, i believe the air ambulance was operating on the friday and saturday (correct me if im wrong) but thats commercial pilots, in a different machine with lots of experience (forgive me im fixed wing) 46 hours??
does that mean this was a type rating????
does that mean this was a type rating????
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A balancing post.
8 comments!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...#StartComments
K77, Please explain...."Out of order"!
1. Helicopters are notoriously difficult to fly, too many people think they know it all, unfortunately they don't. Sad untimely deaths though.
They are, and they do!
2. Thats what its' all about nowadays. Status symbols, to kind of show off how much money you have and how successful you are.
Also the same reason why there is an anti-4x4 Brigade!
3. My thoughts are with this couple's family.
Is this out of order...I think not!
4. Anyone who is tempted to be spiteful - Paul and Linda were one of the most worthwhile couples you could ever meet.
Is this out of order...I think not!
5. Success in business will certainly supply the money with which to acquire a helicopter, it sadly won't however provide the experience to safely operate it.
Is this out of order...I think not!
6. They had only just left country baskets in East Ardsley about one hour before the crash.
Is this out of order...I think not!
7. It is about time these inexpierienced show-offs are stopped from flying these aircraft.
Inexperienced..possibly. Would you put a 17 year old in a Bugatti Veyron after a supervised trip from London to York and back?
Does an Ato B to A trip to Denmark help much? Show off....why not!?
8. What on earth is a "clinical team leader"? Yet more nu-Labour management speak!
???
The Daily Mail Online allows readers to send in their own comments about a particular story and some of the comments published underneath this story are really out of order; does the Mail not moderate their 'comments' section?
8 comments!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...#StartComments
K77, Please explain...."Out of order"!
1. Helicopters are notoriously difficult to fly, too many people think they know it all, unfortunately they don't. Sad untimely deaths though.
They are, and they do!
2. Thats what its' all about nowadays. Status symbols, to kind of show off how much money you have and how successful you are.
Also the same reason why there is an anti-4x4 Brigade!
3. My thoughts are with this couple's family.
Is this out of order...I think not!
4. Anyone who is tempted to be spiteful - Paul and Linda were one of the most worthwhile couples you could ever meet.
Is this out of order...I think not!
5. Success in business will certainly supply the money with which to acquire a helicopter, it sadly won't however provide the experience to safely operate it.
Is this out of order...I think not!
6. They had only just left country baskets in East Ardsley about one hour before the crash.
Is this out of order...I think not!
7. It is about time these inexpierienced show-offs are stopped from flying these aircraft.
Inexperienced..possibly. Would you put a 17 year old in a Bugatti Veyron after a supervised trip from London to York and back?
Does an Ato B to A trip to Denmark help much? Show off....why not!?
8. What on earth is a "clinical team leader"? Yet more nu-Labour management speak!
???
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Was I the only one to see it?
A light moment during dark days.
Having been to funerals of friends involved in helicopter crashes and heard the songs like 'Bright Side of Life' and 'Only Fools' to raise the occasion, perhaps we should learn to perhaps see a lighter side'.
"Their family and friends have been left devastated by the tragedy, but can take comfort that at the time of the accident they were in one of their favourite places together and doing something they both loved."
A light moment during dark days.
Having been to funerals of friends involved in helicopter crashes and heard the songs like 'Bright Side of Life' and 'Only Fools' to raise the occasion, perhaps we should learn to perhaps see a lighter side'.
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Sid,
Yes, but there is a limit, a time and a place. I thought your comment, which was presumably meant to teach us all to "see a lighter side", was just not funny and way OTT.
I read it yesterday and was a little surprised to see how long it remained here. I would imagine a comment like that could cause further distress to a relative; certainly to me it appeared completely heartless and unsympathetic.
Every accident victim is someone's parent, spouse, child, sibling or friend.
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As far as speculation goes on the cause of accidents, after thirty one years of flying for a living, and having lost quite a number of friends, close aquaintances and colleagues, I just don't try. If I do discuss the possible cause, I keep it in tightly closed circles until we know, from correct evidence, what actually happened.
perhaps we should learn to perhaps see a lighter side'
I read it yesterday and was a little surprised to see how long it remained here. I would imagine a comment like that could cause further distress to a relative; certainly to me it appeared completely heartless and unsympathetic.
Every accident victim is someone's parent, spouse, child, sibling or friend.
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As far as speculation goes on the cause of accidents, after thirty one years of flying for a living, and having lost quite a number of friends, close aquaintances and colleagues, I just don't try. If I do discuss the possible cause, I keep it in tightly closed circles until we know, from correct evidence, what actually happened.
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I have speculated nothing.
In fact I was the first to mention that perhaps there could be a technical reason how this incident occured and we shouldn't always blame the pilot as a first shot, which was implied from post 3.
Regarding my comment, perhaps we all deal with this sort of thing differently.
ATB
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In fact I was the first to mention that perhaps there could be a technical reason how this incident occured and we shouldn't always blame the pilot as a first shot, which was implied from post 3.
Regarding my comment, perhaps we all deal with this sort of thing differently.
ATB
SS
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Sid, Please note the line drawn under my comment about your post; The second para was a general comment.
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I'm with SilsoeSid - we all take death far too seriously. For something that is a fact of life (no pun intended) why should it come as a surprise that people die? Granted, some might die earlier than others but we all do it!
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