Guimbal Cabri G2
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Beautiful video, but FWIW there are many inaccurate things said in there about our helicopter. The R22 is lower cost to operate and purchase vs the G2 without any question. Maybe they wanted the 3 blades or fenestron, but they should not misrepresent things.
we have held prices for the aircraft and spare part cost increases to basically zero over 3 years. We also extended the life limit of our main rotor blades to 15 years. So to say operating costs have increased since the pandemic is just nonsense.
We have also added impact resistant windows, electronic ignition, new stabilizer and cockpit cameras to the aircraft and held our aircraft price flat for several years.
if anyone thinks the G2 is lower cost or more capable than the R22 in any commercial-relevant metric. DM me please…
we have held prices for the aircraft and spare part cost increases to basically zero over 3 years. We also extended the life limit of our main rotor blades to 15 years. So to say operating costs have increased since the pandemic is just nonsense.
We have also added impact resistant windows, electronic ignition, new stabilizer and cockpit cameras to the aircraft and held our aircraft price flat for several years.
if anyone thinks the G2 is lower cost or more capable than the R22 in any commercial-relevant metric. DM me please…
It is all well and good saying your product is better and cheaper ( why wouldnt you ) but like all manufacturers you ll talk a load of bolls--cks when it comes to running helicopters. Over 35 year I have owned and operated everything from Hu 269B through to AS 350 B3 and I can assure you that not one manufacturer including yourselves has come anywhere near what they say they cost to run ! If the guy in the video says they are cheaper to run in his operation I would tend to believe the man who writes the cheques not the manufacturer. As to more capable I would choose a fully articulated rotor head every time over a teetering one, let a lone the Robinson teetering head design. You are welcome to shoot me down but I am happy to challenge you with an average UK instructor to do EOL to the ground in zero wind with your R 22 compared to a S300 that my school uses. Dont get me wrong the R22 auto's but there is little margin for error.
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From: Brantisvogan
Doesn't tend to behave quite the same at 5000ft and 37C.
It is a pretty thing, modern design and I'd take the composite body design in an oopsie any day, but hot and high, the 22 will kick its backside (auto performance notwithstanding).
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From: Manchester
H500, not sure if you've operated a G2 and a R22 in your company but it's no secret that the operational/running cost of a G2 is a lot higher than a R22. I might even dare to say it sits closer to the running cost of a R44.
Unless you don't count insurance, depreciation etc and purely look at the service interval costs, then I'm not sure since I don't have all the data for that. But counting everything from purchase, depreciation, insurance, maintenance, fuel, oil etc, then the G2 will empty your bank account quicker than the R22....
Unless you don't count insurance, depreciation etc and purely look at the service interval costs, then I'm not sure since I don't have all the data for that. But counting everything from purchase, depreciation, insurance, maintenance, fuel, oil etc, then the G2 will empty your bank account quicker than the R22....
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From: California
H500, not sure if you've operated a G2 and a R22 in your company but it's no secret that the operational/running cost of a G2 is a lot higher than a R22. I might even dare to say it sits closer to the running cost of a R44.
Unless you don't count insurance, depreciation etc and purely look at the service interval costs, then I'm not sure since I don't have all the data for that. But counting everything from purchase, depreciation, insurance, maintenance, fuel, oil etc, then the G2 will empty your bank account quicker than the R22....
Unless you don't count insurance, depreciation etc and purely look at the service interval costs, then I'm not sure since I don't have all the data for that. But counting everything from purchase, depreciation, insurance, maintenance, fuel, oil etc, then the G2 will empty your bank account quicker than the R22....
I heard yesterday (on YouTube) that an Australian mustering company has recently sold its fleet of 14 R22s and replaced them (albeit a smaller number) with Cabris.
Sad day for the R22, but I guess someone thinks their higher cost isn't a big deal.
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From: UK
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Lumping posts into one created TWENTY !!!!!!! YEARS AGO just because its about the same model! What is with this place and its obsession with Godzilla sized threads? Am I really supposed to hunt through 1,600 comments to find the beginning of a new conversation?!
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From: Brantisvogan
,...which ties into my first complaint.
Lumping posts into one created TWENTY !!!!!!! YEARS AGO just because its about the same model! What is with this place and its obsession with Godzilla sized threads? Am I really supposed to hunt through 1,600 comments to find the beginning of a new conversation?!
Lumping posts into one created TWENTY !!!!!!! YEARS AGO just because its about the same model! What is with this place and its obsession with Godzilla sized threads? Am I really supposed to hunt through 1,600 comments to find the beginning of a new conversation?!
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From: California
,...but still, this thing's twenty years old. Can't we just give it its gold watch and let it move down to Florida already?
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From: Auckland, New Zealand
Katherine appears to be a few hundred feet amsl, so not exactly taxing altitude wise, would presume 1 up and not full tanks for the role as well.
Doesn't tend to behave quite the same at 5000ft and 37C.
It is a pretty thing, modern design and I'd take the composite body design in an oopsie any day, but hot and high, the 22 will kick its backside (auto performance notwithstanding).
Doesn't tend to behave quite the same at 5000ft and 37C.
It is a pretty thing, modern design and I'd take the composite body design in an oopsie any day, but hot and high, the 22 will kick its backside (auto performance notwithstanding).
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H500, not sure if you've operated a G2 and a R22 in your company but it's no secret that the operational/running cost of a G2 is a lot higher than a R22. I might even dare to say it sits closer to the running cost of a R44.
Unless you don't count insurance, depreciation etc and purely look at the service interval costs, then I'm not sure since I don't have all the data for that. But counting everything from purchase, depreciation, insurance, maintenance, fuel, oil etc, then the G2 will empty your bank account quicker than the R22....
Unless you don't count insurance, depreciation etc and purely look at the service interval costs, then I'm not sure since I don't have all the data for that. But counting everything from purchase, depreciation, insurance, maintenance, fuel, oil etc, then the G2 will empty your bank account quicker than the R22....
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From: San Diego, CA
Last I checked, a new Cabri costs almost as much to purchase as a new R44 Cadet. I did love the cabin layout though; it felt very modern, with everything very low down for maximum visibility, premium-feeling switches, electronic ignition (plus magneto for redundancy), etc. Also a bizarrely long range for a little two-seater, far more than even the R44. But expensive. Also the R22 derates the engine for longevity, while the Cabri uses the same engine but not derated.
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From: Africa
Little video we put together from a visit out to HeliMuster NT in the Territory.
https://youtu.be/uy0LDfT2Sho?si=mAfWsNutLTQs8PCT
https://youtu.be/uy0LDfT2Sho?si=mAfWsNutLTQs8PCT
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From: UK
Nice aircraft but seriously lacking power, porpoises in straight and level flight, and just as expensive as an R44, but with two fewer seats. Plus seems to require more niggy maintenance than R22/R44
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From: Down under
Also it's very stable in level flight but you do have to correct the small attitude deviations from turbulence compared to the R22 where you ideally don't correct them and just allow it to swing around under the rotor disc etc. It porpoises around if its out of balance (trim etc).
Have noticed the string seems to tell lies in the cabri... when its aligned with the mark it feels out of balance, 1-2cm to the right of the mark feels flat in the seat makes me wonder if the air hitting the screen is being influenced by the rotor wash?
