Abu Dhabi Aviation
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they used to take people with no twin time, but now..
CPL and Minimum 1,500 Total Flight Hours
• Minimum 100 Flight Hours on AW 139 or AW 169
• ICAO license with AW139 or AW 169 type rating
CPL and Minimum 1,500 Total Flight Hours
• Minimum 100 Flight Hours on AW 139 or AW 169
• ICAO license with AW139 or AW 169 type rating
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From: On the way to the fridge
Whats going on is that the industry has been spiraling downwards for years now, with profits getting lower and lower.
With shareholders not willing to give up on their plans of buying more condos in UAE and overseas, the companies had to cut expenses.
Cutting expenses when the client requires up-to-date aircrafts is only achieved by lowering salaries.
Lowering salaries is only possible by firing the "old, highly-experienced, highly-paid" pilots, and by hiring young pilots who will fly for food.
That´s what´s happening.
With shareholders not willing to give up on their plans of buying more condos in UAE and overseas, the companies had to cut expenses.
Cutting expenses when the client requires up-to-date aircrafts is only achieved by lowering salaries.
Lowering salaries is only possible by firing the "old, highly-experienced, highly-paid" pilots, and by hiring young pilots who will fly for food.
That´s what´s happening.
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From: Not from 'round here
They're still taking people with no twin time and no offshore experience, also taking guys on a 'cadetship' where they pay for their own 412 rating...at the moment they are taking them on at about the same rate as people are leaving.
The morale of the place is in a steep, steep dive.
The morale of the place is in a steep, steep dive.
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They're still taking people with no twin time and no offshore experience, also taking guys on a 'cadetship' where they pay for their own 412 rating...at the moment they are taking them on at about the same rate as people are leaving.
The morale of the place is in a steep, steep dive.
The morale of the place is in a steep, steep dive.
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From: The 4th dimentia.....
Or head of ops/chief pilots for a multi crew IFR operation with no multi crew experience or ATP?
Or SAR CTM role for someone with no civilian or Awsar or type experience?
How about U.K. NPFO and deputy/HOT with no experience outside the company and the deputy HOT being VFR only and no multi crew time but the operation being both.
The list goes on but clearly the various authorities are happy to allow.
Apologies for thread creep.
Or SAR CTM role for someone with no civilian or Awsar or type experience?
How about U.K. NPFO and deputy/HOT with no experience outside the company and the deputy HOT being VFR only and no multi crew time but the operation being both.
The list goes on but clearly the various authorities are happy to allow.
Apologies for thread creep.
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I had turned down positions like these (DoF/Chief Pilot) for European and Middle Eastern operators in the past 18 months.
If they need people with certain certificates and experience levels, than they must pay for those experience levels and certificates.
I am not doing a job where i am responsible for a whole department towards a CAA for minimum wage (or a salary thats similar to someone shaking fries at McDonalds-no offense)...
If they need people with certain certificates and experience levels, than they must pay for those experience levels and certificates.
I am not doing a job where i am responsible for a whole department towards a CAA for minimum wage (or a salary thats similar to someone shaking fries at McDonalds-no offense)...
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From: ASIA
Friends Greetings
Any response from ADA for their Nigerian Offshore Operations in collaborations with OAS ?
Heard they have inducted sizeable numbers of Pilots on their fleet AW 139....and hence looking for confirmation....and any additional news on the issue?
Any response from ADA for their Nigerian Offshore Operations in collaborations with OAS ?
Heard they have inducted sizeable numbers of Pilots on their fleet AW 139....and hence looking for confirmation....and any additional news on the issue?
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From: Canada
They're still taking people with no twin time and no offshore experience, also taking guys on a 'cadetship' where they pay for their own 412 rating...
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From: Den Haag
They are busy taking staff from Caverton I believe.
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From: Das Island
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If you're already 412 139 experienced then $425 to 450 per day with offshore ogp time. The $616 days are long over.
New pilot can buy a 412 type rating and get paid $100 per day.
New pilot can buy a 412 type rating and get paid $100 per day.
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From: Macedonia
I am currently holder of PART FCL CPL (H) license, 600TT 212/412 TR, can someone give some instructions/advice on how to convert to GCAA licence and apply for a job to ADA or some similar companies in the middle east region. And what salary can I expect.
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From: Thailand
Done’n Dusted…..
I initially joined ADA in 1999. When I joined the company I was the second youngest pilot at 41yrs with 7,500Hrs. The average age in ‘99 was 52yrs and the next lowest flight time was 10,000Hrs. Some of the Vietnam / Air America guys were well up over 20,000Hrs.
When I joined, I was a fully qualified offshore Capt on the 212 and the 412, having previously flown for Gulf Helicopters in Doha. I worked an 8/4 rotation during my time there, commuting to/from my home in Phuket Thailand.
In July 2020 I was forcibly “retired” along with most all other personnel over the age of 60yrs……due Covid. Although I had planned on staying until I turned 65yrs in 2023, I got lucky. All other personnel that remained, were required to get Vax’d. I fortunately remain un-Vax’d and follow FLCCC weekly dosing protocols for Ivermectin and supplements for my immune system.
ADA was at one time a great place to work, but you have to go back a long way….. 10-20yrs.
I remained because the people that I worked with were mostly all great guys and….it was an easy job, flying 600Hrs/yr in the 212/412 and 139….5 days / week, with 2 paid days-off / week. The money was ok at $616USD / day Tax-Free, (Just over $16K USD / month) plus the annual cumulative End-Of-Service-Benefit of around $8,500USD.
When the company “retired” the guys over 60yrs in 2020, (I was 62) we were called individually into see HR and the German Ops Mgr. We were given a letter to sign acknowledging our “retirement”. Immediately after signing the letter and during the same meeting, HR would hand the pilot another letter….. an offer of employment for the exact same job and same duties/responsibilities ….. at -33% less $$$$……!!!
I consider myself fortunate to have been part of the old school ADA during my early days there.
However, given all the changes and the way they treat their people, I most certainly wouldn’t want anything to do with the company now…!!!
When I joined, I was a fully qualified offshore Capt on the 212 and the 412, having previously flown for Gulf Helicopters in Doha. I worked an 8/4 rotation during my time there, commuting to/from my home in Phuket Thailand.
In July 2020 I was forcibly “retired” along with most all other personnel over the age of 60yrs……due Covid. Although I had planned on staying until I turned 65yrs in 2023, I got lucky. All other personnel that remained, were required to get Vax’d. I fortunately remain un-Vax’d and follow FLCCC weekly dosing protocols for Ivermectin and supplements for my immune system.
ADA was at one time a great place to work, but you have to go back a long way….. 10-20yrs.
I remained because the people that I worked with were mostly all great guys and….it was an easy job, flying 600Hrs/yr in the 212/412 and 139….5 days / week, with 2 paid days-off / week. The money was ok at $616USD / day Tax-Free, (Just over $16K USD / month) plus the annual cumulative End-Of-Service-Benefit of around $8,500USD.
When the company “retired” the guys over 60yrs in 2020, (I was 62) we were called individually into see HR and the German Ops Mgr. We were given a letter to sign acknowledging our “retirement”. Immediately after signing the letter and during the same meeting, HR would hand the pilot another letter….. an offer of employment for the exact same job and same duties/responsibilities ….. at -33% less $$$$……!!!
I consider myself fortunate to have been part of the old school ADA during my early days there.
However, given all the changes and the way they treat their people, I most certainly wouldn’t want anything to do with the company now…!!!
