News Helos Collide in Arizona
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News Helos Collide in Arizona
CNN is streaming raw video of what looks like two burned crash sites...
"Two news helicopters from KNXV and KTVK have collided in Phoenix, AZ."
"Two news helicopters from KNXV and KTVK have collided in Phoenix, AZ."
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Two ENG helicopters collide
Two ENG helicopters have just collided over Phoenix, Arizona. From the pictures on Fox News it doesn't look good for those on board. Sad day for all involved. Prayers for the families and friends.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291233,00.html
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291233,00.html
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Early reports state three people dead. Helicopters were filming a police chase when the crash occurred. At least one appears to have gone down in a residential neighbourhood. Sad stuff.
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Now looks like at least four dead...
One of the PHX stations is streaming live local coverage, link at www.azfamily.com
One of the PHX stations is streaming live local coverage, link at www.azfamily.com
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Screen grab of a witness photo
More streaming video here...
http://mfile.akamai.com/22350/live/r...asx?bkup=34964
My prayers and sympathies to all those involved
RIP
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More streaming video here...
http://mfile.akamai.com/22350/live/r...asx?bkup=34964
My prayers and sympathies to all those involved
RIP
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Astar N613TV Channel 3 Phoenix
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/019984L.html
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/3645.html Live coverage from Channel 15 helicopter as collision occured.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/3645.html Live coverage from Channel 15 helicopter as collision occured.
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" The police chief said the suspect will likely face criminal charges for the deaths in the helicopter crash."
I don't see how the suspect in the police chase can be held responsible for the crash. Seems absurd.
I don't see how the suspect in the police chase can be held responsible for the crash. Seems absurd.
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don't see how the suspect in the police chase can be held responsible for the crash. Seems absurd.
Sadly all he probably will be charged with is Manslaughter.
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but.....the helicopters were chasing the chase, not avoiding any actions associated with that chase. Kind of like me standing around watching a bank robbery from the other side of the street, then stepping off the curb in front of a car and getting hit because I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing. I don't think the robbers are going to get bonus jail time because I got hit by a car.
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Firstly, it is with profound regret that we learn of the 4-fatal mid-air collision in Arizona. Needless to say a melancholic haze descends on the pprune community every time there is an accident and loss of life.
The pilot to pilot audio comm has been posted on the ABC news site. One pilot is heard reporting his position as directly under the other helicopter, then there is brief confusion as to who is on top of who, then the pilot goes back to live reporting of the chase (the pilot serves a dual role, that of pilot and that of live to air reporter). Then a few seconds later there is the mid-air collision, an expletive, and the audio clip stops.
From initial listening of the audio it is not apparent that the situational awareness confusion was resolved before the pilot went back to reporting what was unfolding on the ground.
It is difficult to understand how the collision unfolded when at least one pilot was in sight of the other, and both pilots knew of their close proximity to another aircraft, al-be-it some confusion as to who was positioned on top of who. Hopefully all will be revealed at the subsequent investigation.
The pilot to pilot audio comm has been posted on the ABC news site. One pilot is heard reporting his position as directly under the other helicopter, then there is brief confusion as to who is on top of who, then the pilot goes back to live reporting of the chase (the pilot serves a dual role, that of pilot and that of live to air reporter). Then a few seconds later there is the mid-air collision, an expletive, and the audio clip stops.
From initial listening of the audio it is not apparent that the situational awareness confusion was resolved before the pilot went back to reporting what was unfolding on the ground.
It is difficult to understand how the collision unfolded when at least one pilot was in sight of the other, and both pilots knew of their close proximity to another aircraft, al-be-it some confusion as to who was positioned on top of who. Hopefully all will be revealed at the subsequent investigation.
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Very sobering video, shows what a tenuous grip we have on life. Condolences. The American legal system though has surely risen to a new level of lunacy if they think they can pin the accident on the fleeing felon.
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It is of course tragic that four people have lost their lives and there will be many families affected by this. My condolances to all, however (as a non rotorhead) lets not get carried away blaming the car driver.
I'm afraid that this type of accident was just waiting to happen. The only odd thing is that it hasn't happend before. The way any helicopter is allowed to operate in the US amazes me - I've seen R22s for example, approach and depart landing sites over crowds of 1000s of people.
The FAA would have made better use of their time looking at real flight safety issues such as this, rather than worrying about BA747s on three engines or whether Joe Bloggs from Southend doing his PPL stateside was a terrorist threat. After all, they ask you on the visa waiver form if you are a terrorist.
I'm afraid that this type of accident was just waiting to happen. The only odd thing is that it hasn't happend before. The way any helicopter is allowed to operate in the US amazes me - I've seen R22s for example, approach and depart landing sites over crowds of 1000s of people.
The FAA would have made better use of their time looking at real flight safety issues such as this, rather than worrying about BA747s on three engines or whether Joe Bloggs from Southend doing his PPL stateside was a terrorist threat. After all, they ask you on the visa waiver form if you are a terrorist.
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Germany passed a regulation some time ago forbidding circling of accident or other happenings in order to keep just such things from happening and to keep private (news) helicopters out of the way of police or rescue helicopters!
What is so interesting about a car chase that TWO tv channels have to cover it and get in harms way? Sorry.... sympathies to the families, but it was an accident waiting to happen.....
What is so interesting about a car chase that TWO tv channels have to cover it and get in harms way? Sorry.... sympathies to the families, but it was an accident waiting to happen.....
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Not two, three or more.
KTVK and KNXV collided.
"Aerial footage from another station covering the chase, KPNX-TV, showed large plumes of black smoke and flames coming from the wreckage."
KPHO had one in the air too.
I suppose the police may have had an aircraft in the air.
That is FIVE.
Slow news day?
KSAZ was in the air too...
"Aerial footage from another station covering the chase, KPNX-TV, showed large plumes of black smoke and flames coming from the wreckage."
KPHO had one in the air too.
I suppose the police may have had an aircraft in the air.
That is FIVE.
Slow news day?
KSAZ was in the air too...
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It is normal in the states. In fact in some cities you can subscribe to text alerts to let you know when a chase is on TV.
I think in LA its not uncommon for there to be 15 helis in the chase (police and media).
I think in LA its not uncommon for there to be 15 helis in the chase (police and media).
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Social Darwinism
The lyrics to Don Henley's Dirty Laundry sums it up quite nicely:
I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
They love dirty laundry
Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I dont have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em all around
We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
Its interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry
Can we film the operation?
Is the head dead yet?
You know, the boys in the newsroom got a
Running bet
Get the widow on the set!
We need dirty laundry
You dont really need to find out whats going on
You dont really want to know just how far its gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre stiff
Kick em all around
Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers in everybodys pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry
We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When its said and done we havent told you a thing
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
They love dirty laundry
Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I dont have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em all around
We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
Its interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry
Can we film the operation?
Is the head dead yet?
You know, the boys in the newsroom got a
Running bet
Get the widow on the set!
We need dirty laundry
You dont really need to find out whats going on
You dont really want to know just how far its gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre stiff
Kick em all around
Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers in everybodys pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry
We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When its said and done we havent told you a thing
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
However tragic this was, it was also very predictable and just a matter of time. The other News Helicopters then filming the downed birds just summed up the consideration any media organization has towards for other people's tragedies - it sells ratings. Eating their own young indeed.
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Sec. 91.111 Operating near other aircraft.
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as to create a collision hazard.
(b) No person may operate an aircraft in formation flight except by
arrangement with the pilot in command of each aircraft in the formation.
(c) No person may operate an aircraft, carrying passengers for hire,
in formation flight.