Shirley Bassey & Night Flying (UK)
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This is a non story - I've lost count of the amount of times I have landed because of bad weather, so what?????
Well done Mr Paxton
edited to remove suggestion of corporate pressures on commercial pilots to continue or indeed, use the GPS for self let downs through cloud and/or fog
Well done Mr Paxton
edited to remove suggestion of corporate pressures on commercial pilots to continue or indeed, use the GPS for self let downs through cloud and/or fog
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I agree with Letsby, whats all the fuss about, most of us have had to land due to bad weather at some stage, if you were to sit waiting on perfect weather in the UK you would rarely ever fly, you check the TAF,s etc, if it is worth a go, you go for it. I'm not suggesting you shouldn't flight plan and consider diversions etc, but helicopters are by their very nature, able to land nearly anywhere, so he landed in a school playing field and the pax continued by road, no major drama! Lets move on....
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Letsby,
i take issue with you making the comment about SH, whether it is meant to offend or not, the way it reads suggests you are saying that SH did something wrong, whilst not wanting to detract the thread,the AAIB will provide the facts in due course.
Maybe its the way i read it but as someone who knew SH well enough i find your previous post offensive, insensitive and only makes you look a downright idiot **
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i take issue with you making the comment about SH, whether it is meant to offend or not, the way it reads suggests you are saying that SH did something wrong, whilst not wanting to detract the thread,the AAIB will provide the facts in due course.
Maybe its the way i read it but as someone who knew SH well enough i find your previous post offensive, insensitive and only makes you look a downright idiot **
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Helicopters ferrying in and out much lesser known, less wealthy musicians constantly, all weekend in cr*p wx. And the most famous, wealthiest star just happens to cadge a lift off some CPL bloke that was going to Glastonbury anyway. My *rse.....
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I take it the guy flying DSB around is the same bloke who is on a full page spread at the back of the current issue of Helicopter Life?
I binned my issue after I read it, so cant cross reference, but his name (and more so the machine; imported, zero timed at a cost of over a million, artwork paint job etc) definately ring a bell.
I binned my issue after I read it, so cant cross reference, but his name (and more so the machine; imported, zero timed at a cost of over a million, artwork paint job etc) definately ring a bell.
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Curious that the nearest house to the field they landed in was occupied by someone working on the video of Dame Bassey's new single and that all the press photos of the landing were taken by the same person!
What a coincidence!
What a coincidence!
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In the UK Night VFR is illegal. All flights must be IFR (except for SVFR in controlled airspace). If the combination of operation/aircraft/pilot is not FULLY IFR, then the flight must be conducted in VMC, but it is nevertheless IFR. See the UK Rules of the Air.
Her new album available for download now, featuring:
"Diamonds Are For Hover"
"Hey Big Spender" (Spend a little time in a field with me)"
"Something (in the way - they're roofs)"
"Goldfinger" (he's a man, a man with the worst forecast)
"Never Never Never" (will I trust the man again)
"For All We Know" (which isn't very much).
You'd think that as she is so Welsh, she might have known the TAFs.
"Diamonds Are For Hover"
"Hey Big Spender" (Spend a little time in a field with me)"
"Something (in the way - they're roofs)"
"Goldfinger" (he's a man, a man with the worst forecast)
"Never Never Never" (will I trust the man again)
"For All We Know" (which isn't very much).
You'd think that as she is so Welsh, she might have known the TAFs.
JimBall
"Hey Big Spender" (Spend a little time in a field with me)"
Whilst I appreaciate the offer, I feel the need to decline (as you are a bloke)
VeeAny
AKA Gary (Big) Spender (all 14stone of me)
"Hey Big Spender" (Spend a little time in a field with me)"
Whilst I appreaciate the offer, I feel the need to decline (as you are a bloke)
VeeAny
AKA Gary (Big) Spender (all 14stone of me)
Helinut which planet are you from ??? Where on earth do you get the idea that night vfr is illegal .......lock me up then because we do lots of night flying and not an instrument rating between us .....AND in a single 
TUT TUT I think you will find that rule is for the poor old aoc boys only .... do tell me what other laws we are breaking !!! single pilot maybe ? no trolley dolley ?!!
TUT TUT I think you will find that rule is for the poor old aoc boys only .... do tell me what other laws we are breaking !!! single pilot maybe ? no trolley dolley ?!!
Nigelh
I am afraid helinut is quite correct Night VFR (in the UK) is illegal, however night IFR in VMC is legal. Nothng to do with an AOC, just the Rules of The Air.
A legal technicality which should be pointed out during night rating (as was) or night qualification (as is). Its a UK specific thing but is nonetheless correct.
However I believe from reading somewhere earlier in this thread the he landed at 2000 hrs (which even if Zulu) , would be daytime at this time of year.
I was out in the area on Sunday and the showers were big and heavy but between them was probably 25-30nm vis.
We got all the way from Herts - Cornwall without going IMC and with a good view all the way.
I wouldn't have wanted to be in any of the heavy downpours we passed on the way.
And yes I am one of the few (or many) who has landed in a field on an AOC flight for 10 minutes and then carried on to destination quite safely.
I did however spend 25 minutes doing a 6 minute leg when I got into Cornwall as my 2nd landing site was covered (literally) in cloud.
I sat in the local area in 30k+ vis went back a couple of times till it cleared and then let down (Sunday was a special day from a weather point of view IMHO, perhaps not from a more experienced point of view but i've only been flying for 12 yrs)
Cheers
GS
I am afraid helinut is quite correct Night VFR (in the UK) is illegal, however night IFR in VMC is legal. Nothng to do with an AOC, just the Rules of The Air.
A legal technicality which should be pointed out during night rating (as was) or night qualification (as is). Its a UK specific thing but is nonetheless correct.
However I believe from reading somewhere earlier in this thread the he landed at 2000 hrs (which even if Zulu) , would be daytime at this time of year.
I was out in the area on Sunday and the showers were big and heavy but between them was probably 25-30nm vis.
We got all the way from Herts - Cornwall without going IMC and with a good view all the way.
I wouldn't have wanted to be in any of the heavy downpours we passed on the way.
And yes I am one of the few (or many) who has landed in a field on an AOC flight for 10 minutes and then carried on to destination quite safely.
I did however spend 25 minutes doing a 6 minute leg when I got into Cornwall as my 2nd landing site was covered (literally) in cloud.
I sat in the local area in 30k+ vis went back a couple of times till it cleared and then let down (Sunday was a special day from a weather point of view IMHO, perhaps not from a more experienced point of view but i've only been flying for 12 yrs)
Cheers
GS
Last edited by VeeAny; 29th Jun 2007 at 08:11. Reason: ANO -> Rules of The Air
Well i stand corrected then 
I however do not really understand what that means !!......i have no instrument rating , am in a single , and the flight is technically IFR. ?? I believe you but what is the difference between night vfr , illegal, and night IFR , legal . ?
( you can tell it was a few years since i had the rule book out !!)
I think on reflection that he is just being pedantic and playing to the bull**** tune from the CAA ....to all intents and purposes night VFR ( by that i mean done by a non IR pilot in a non IR machine flying in sight of the ground ) is legal . Only the CAA would wrap it up in some complicated form and call it IFR. .....IMHO
I however do not really understand what that means !!......i have no instrument rating , am in a single , and the flight is technically IFR. ?? I believe you but what is the difference between night vfr , illegal, and night IFR , legal . ?( you can tell it was a few years since i had the rule book out !!)
I think on reflection that he is just being pedantic and playing to the bull**** tune from the CAA ....to all intents and purposes night VFR ( by that i mean done by a non IR pilot in a non IR machine flying in sight of the ground ) is legal . Only the CAA would wrap it up in some complicated form and call it IFR. .....IMHO