Question - type rating

[CS-Hover]

Hello

i have been searching for an answer, but without luck

if someone has an FAA and JAA commercial license, with a type rating for a given helicopter in one of the licenses, what is needed to do for "convert" to the other license

i already have some idea how it goes from FAA to JAA, but the other way around (JAA to FAA) .....

something to do with the FAA "requirement" of less 12500 pounds don't need type rating (if it's not required by the helicopter type certificate) ? if it is the case, how can you show that you are allowed to fly that given type

any help, appreciated

regards

[cl12pv2s]

FAR 61.31 and 61.75 tell you what you need to know.

Here it is logically:

61.75 explains that you may convert your ICAO PPL to a FAA one, and that all the ratings are included.

(c) Aircraft ratings issued. Aircraft ratings listed on a person's foreign pilot license, in addition to any issued after testing under the provisions of this part, may be placed on that person's U.S. pilot certificate.

However, this does not supercede the requirements of 61.31, which require you to have had training (anywhere), and have an FAA instructor endorse you for that training.

Kinds of aircraft that require a type rating.

61.31

(a) Type ratings required. A person who acts as a pilot in command of any of the following aircraft must hold a type rating for that aircraft:
(1) Large aircraft (except lighter-than-air).
(2) Turbojet-powered airplanes.
(3) Other aircraft specified by the Administrator through aircraft type certificate procedures.

Large Aircraft is defined in FAR 1.1

Large aircraft means aircraft of more than 12,500 pounds, maximum certificated takeoff weight.
If you don't have a type rating for an aircraft, then you can't take pax. 61.31(b)

For any aircraft:

(d) Aircraft category, class, and type ratings: Limitations on operating an aircraft as the pilot in command. To serve as the pilot in command of an aircraft, a person must--
(1) Hold the appropriate category, class, and type rating (if a class rating and type rating are required) for the aircraft to be flown;
(2) Be receiving training for the purpose of obtaining an additional pilot certificate and rating that are appropriate to that aircraft, and be under the supervision of an authorized instructor; or
(3) Have received training required by this part that is appropriate to the aircraft category, class, and type rating (if a class or type rating is required) for the aircraft to be flown, and have received the required endorsements from an instructor who is authorized to provide the required endorsements for solo flight in that aircraft.

So having determined that you need a type rating, then how do you show you have one:

(h) Additional aircraft type-specific training. No person may serve as pilot in command of an aircraft that the Administrator has determined requires aircraft type-specific training unless that person has--
(1) Received and logged type-specific training in the aircraft, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of that type of aircraft; and
(2) Received a logbook endorsement from an authorized instructor who has found the person proficient in the operation of the aircraft and its systems.

In fact I have never tried to convert from JAA to FAA so am not totally sure about all this....

The important words are 'authorized instructor'. This is someone 'authorized' by the FAA. So therefore, you need to be able to fulfill two requirements.

A. Received and logged type-specific training in the aircraft, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of that type of aircraft...this may be from an instructor from any ICAO country;
B. Received a logbook endorsement from an FAA instructor who has found the person proficient in the operation of the aircraft and its systems.

With those, I think you could go for an FAA type rating.

Well, I may be wrong, so would love to hear what others say.

cl12pv2s

[CS-Hover]

cl12pv2s

thanks for the reply

so if you already flying an given type (type rating, line checks, simulator, recurrent and refresh training, etc.. for some years = hours in type) - that fulfills you point A, right ... you only need the logbook endorsement from an FAA instructor and what's next?? go to FSDO and request for the paperwork to type rating ??

in the point 61.31, and considering helicopters with less than 12500 pounds MCTOW, how can be identified the 61.31(3) ??

regards

[cl12pv2s]

CS,

I'm not sure of the exact procedure to do this.

I don't think any instructor is going to simply sign you off, without seeing you fly. Look carefully at the wording...

"a logbook endorsement from an FAA instructor who has found the person proficient"

Thus, I would say you would have to fly with this instructor before you get anything done.

Like I said, I don't know for sure. This is only my 'logical' conclusion to my reading of the FAR.

You need to check with a FSDO or someone else who's actually done it.

cl12pv2s

[GoodGrief]

Since there are no type ratings below 12500 you cant convert.
So, if you hold a 206 rating in the UK you could hop into a let's say 407 in the US and take off. No rating required!

[CS-Hover]

cl12pv2s:
yes, the flight with the instructor, i think is a must, but...

you arrive to the instructor, fly with him, he says you are ok, give you the endorsement, and what's next??

GoodGrief:

Since there are no type ratings below 12500 you cant convert

- where we can search for it?? I've tried the type certificate but without luck (it's because, as you said, here are no type ratings below 12500???? )

So, if you hold a 206 rating in the UK you could hop into a let's say 407 in the US and take off. No rating required!

and how you show to an operator that you have the rating on that type of helicopter??

regards

[gulliBell]

GG is correct. You don't need a type-rating. Get your FAA license, jump in an S76 and fly it. That's what I did, no type rating required. The FAA license does not list the specific aircraft types you are allowed to fly. On the back of the license under "XII RATINGS" it will just say "AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT ROTORCRAFT-HELICOPTER" or whatever, that's it.

I think this would be different if you were operating only on a validation of a foreign license, then you would need a type rating on your foreign license (if the foreign Authority required a type rating), to fly N-registered of that type.

You are NOT showing an operator that you are rated on type, because you are actually "rated" on everything below 12,500. You are just showing them you've flown that type before, i.e. logbook entries. That should be all you need. Don't get confused by the term "ratings" !