What does ATC do that irks you?
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Which one are you, Mr. Clip or Mr. Grumpy?
I believe that MD has the same understanding as I do of the word "hold" and that it is when you are asked to hold your position or wait for instructions.
I guess you are in the UK and there a "Hold" is commonly used when talking about IFR holding procedures.
My guess is that we are talking about the same thing but using different words. Remember a lift or a chopper are not the same things on both sides of the pond.
Which one are you, Mr. Clip or Mr. Grumpy?
I believe that MD has the same understanding as I do of the word "hold" and that it is when you are asked to hold your position or wait for instructions.
I guess you are in the UK and there a "Hold" is commonly used when talking about IFR holding procedures.
My guess is that we are talking about the same thing but using different words. Remember a lift or a chopper are not the same things on both sides of the pond.
Heli-Ice. Maybe i'm not sure of what or who Mr C and Mr G are but I know MD900 knows the UK quite well, but I suppose you are right that perhaps I am the one confusing holding and taking up the hold, etc.
Maybe he just meant that he had to hold before being cleared for departure or to land. Oh well.
I get the sneaking suspicion that now that MD900 knows a number of people know who he is for real, that he may just edit his last post. I'll wait and see how long it takes.
Maybe he just meant that he had to hold before being cleared for departure or to land. Oh well.
I get the sneaking suspicion that now that MD900 knows a number of people know who he is for real, that he may just edit his last post. I'll wait and see how long it takes.
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Mr. C and Mr. G are to me the grumpy controllers and I was just poking you a little.
This just shows that when people who do not have English as their first language they can really get confused and cause a confusion. Many accidents have resulted from misunderstandings between air controllers and pilots.
Maybe this misinterpretation of wordings cause our beloved controllers to snap back at us when we, in our good belief, fly the blue heavens.
Mr. C and Mr. G are to me the grumpy controllers and I was just poking you a little.
This just shows that when people who do not have English as their first language they can really get confused and cause a confusion. Many accidents have resulted from misunderstandings between air controllers and pilots.
Maybe this misinterpretation of wordings cause our beloved controllers to snap back at us when we, in our good belief, fly the blue heavens.
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The honesty and integrity (not to mention motive) of some of the postings on this site staggers me at times. 
Guess you can only help people so many times
In an industry where reputation is almost everything there are definately times when some posts should never be written - let alone eventually edited (be they inaccurate, less than truthful or just plain rude/abrupt)
Guess you can only help people so many times
In an industry where reputation is almost everything there are definately times when some posts should never be written - let alone eventually edited (be they inaccurate, less than truthful or just plain rude/abrupt)
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Flingingwings, if I have misunderstood your post – I do apologise.
The honesty and integrity (not to mention motive) of some of YOUR historic postings on a particular thread in the past, staggered several people.
I am sorry if I have misread your post. However, the above comments, compared to those that you made prior to Christmas seem contradictory and in an industry where reputation is almost everything there are definitely times when some posts should never be written.
Your rude/abrupt comments last year weren’t helpful.
XD
The honesty and integrity (not to mention motive) of some of YOUR historic postings on a particular thread in the past, staggered several people.
I am sorry if I have misread your post. However, the above comments, compared to those that you made prior to Christmas seem contradictory and in an industry where reputation is almost everything there are definitely times when some posts should never be written.
Your rude/abrupt comments last year weren’t helpful.
XD
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Xavier, I was under the impression that everything Flingingwings has previously posted has been truthful and at least helpful to others on this forum. Especially considering his past.
I know what he is talking about in the post above but don't wish to expand.
I know what he is talking about in the post above but don't wish to expand.
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Edited post as instructed. OK, you busted me, but you didnt have to tell every one i was working towards my NPPL/A. I love all that microsoft stuff, helps me pad out my logbook.
You have my admiration Sherlock.
MD
Edited post as instructed. OK, you busted me, but you didnt have to tell every one i was working towards my NPPL/A. I love all that microsoft stuff, helps me pad out my logbook.
You have my admiration Sherlock.
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Generally I think the controllers do a great job
The most irking situation I have had was going into a airport with two freq's, one for control zone traffic and one for circuit traffic. The airport has 4 runway's 2 sets of 2 which intersect each other.
I was on a flight in with a ppl student (which normally stresses at this airport anyway) and the first controller cleared us in to join final's to one of the runways then told us to switch to other freq. Once changing the new controller then told us to join base to the other runway at this stage we where pretty much on short finals, My student just looked at me sideways and had no idea what to do. At this point I took over on the radio and asked if they were aware were on short finals (with no traffic near us), the grumpy reply was yes they were aware and to change to base on the other runway.
Apon landing I spoke to a fixed wing guy that had just landed and he had been given the reverse of us, he was on finals to the other runway and had to maouver to join downwind for our runway.
I suspect when handing over inside the tower they might have got us confused and mixed us up.
What ever happened it was not a good first control zone experence for my student.
The most irking situation I have had was going into a airport with two freq's, one for control zone traffic and one for circuit traffic. The airport has 4 runway's 2 sets of 2 which intersect each other.
I was on a flight in with a ppl student (which normally stresses at this airport anyway) and the first controller cleared us in to join final's to one of the runways then told us to switch to other freq. Once changing the new controller then told us to join base to the other runway at this stage we where pretty much on short finals, My student just looked at me sideways and had no idea what to do. At this point I took over on the radio and asked if they were aware were on short finals (with no traffic near us), the grumpy reply was yes they were aware and to change to base on the other runway.
Apon landing I spoke to a fixed wing guy that had just landed and he had been given the reverse of us, he was on finals to the other runway and had to maouver to join downwind for our runway.
I suspect when handing over inside the tower they might have got us confused and mixed us up.
What ever happened it was not a good first control zone experence for my student.
