Huey saga set to land in court
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Sorry to hear you still have a splinter under your finger nail.........Keep up the Good Work. G Man needs the money.......Doubt if hes sharing much in comparison to what hes making.....But then again, someone has to be at the bottom of the ladder...
Sorry to hear you still have a splinter under your finger nail.........Keep up the Good Work. G Man needs the money.......Doubt if hes sharing much in comparison to what hes making.....But then again, someone has to be at the bottom of the ladder...
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Splinter?
Yo Bert, sorry bru, the splinter thing was lost on me. I'll leave such subtleties up to those who use them with such regularity... could you draw me a picture perhaps? Are you sure youre not mixing it up with a scratch I have on my hand?
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No big surprise there........
How is OD Airlines, Weekend coming up and many flights ahead. Sounds like nothing but money pouring in......
Since you guys have "Carter Blanche" to fly, I see no reason for you not to land at the Top of the Tram on the Table. Its faster than a tram ride, much cheaper and who is going to tell you no.....check that....Many will tell you no, but who is going to do anything about it......Talk about making money.
How is OD Airlines, Weekend coming up and many flights ahead. Sounds like nothing but money pouring in......
Since you guys have "Carter Blanche" to fly, I see no reason for you not to land at the Top of the Tram on the Table. Its faster than a tram ride, much cheaper and who is going to tell you no.....check that....Many will tell you no, but who is going to do anything about it......Talk about making money.
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Sousa you wont give it a rest will you? Are these guys hurting you? It sounds too much like protectionism to me. The rule of law will prevail in the end and someone will lose, someone will win. But instead of deriding the Huey and constantly complaining, why don't you guys compete. I reiterate; if someone wants an extreme (Vietnam) experience they are not going to be attracted to pretty 206s and ECs.
So buy a Huey and operate it according to the book, you too would make more money.
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You got it....... No rest for the wicked.
If they would do as you suggested, then they would not be flying today.......
You obviously havent been watching this since the get go. Better change to 121.5
When the "Rule of Law" is applied and enforced, this thread will go away......
For some reason you sound as if you think I am in the Business. Sorry, but just a Pilot. Nothing against extreme Vietnam experiences, and there is no competition, fortunately.
The thread is based solely on Method of Operation within guidelines set down by the CAA/Manufacturer etc. Best you go back through this and get an idea of the operation before you make comments.
If your really a 737 driver and operate as Helibase does, your license would have/should have been pulled some time ago...
You got it....... No rest for the wicked.
If they would do as you suggested, then they would not be flying today.......
You obviously havent been watching this since the get go. Better change to 121.5
When the "Rule of Law" is applied and enforced, this thread will go away......
For some reason you sound as if you think I am in the Business. Sorry, but just a Pilot. Nothing against extreme Vietnam experiences, and there is no competition, fortunately.
The thread is based solely on Method of Operation within guidelines set down by the CAA/Manufacturer etc. Best you go back through this and get an idea of the operation before you make comments.
If your really a 737 driver and operate as Helibase does, your license would have/should have been pulled some time ago...
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With all the latest one wonders how many OD Aircraft are now gracing the skies of CPT.
LH, KK?? whats the latest. Anyone doing formation thrill rides over downtown??
You guys are too quiet..........
LH, KK?? whats the latest. Anyone doing formation thrill rides over downtown??
You guys are too quiet..........
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The Huey in Cape Town
Goodbye Mr Chips
I see that the Huey Club appears to be no longer a subject, or no-one cares any more, despite the fact that they remain in the news, and remain unlawful! They have no books to speak of and apparently not even a bank account, (at least that’s what he’s telling the Court)
In reply to some insults I received from CaneRat back in September 2004, I took my appeal process to Bloemfontein, and was granted leave to appeal, and a panel of 3 judges overturned the decisions of that certain Judge (who is constantly in the news under dubious circumstances lately) and later Bloemfontein refused that man Van’s application to overturn my appeal. So many appeals – but my friend, you are no longer such an appealing person! The wheel turns slowly - but it turns!
Well, Supervan, we saw your Removal Van,
making everyone Super Happy, so all I have to say is
“Goodbye, you’ve had your chips”.
Looks like your years of flying paying passengers using private pilots out of an Industrial Area, over the N1 from Culemborg are also finally coming to an end, according to Saturday’s Argus; hopefully before you have any serious crashes!
Quite Ernestly: Have a good day raking in your ill-gotten gains, which you obtain to the detriment of the legitimate Helicopter Operators!
I see that the Huey Club appears to be no longer a subject, or no-one cares any more, despite the fact that they remain in the news, and remain unlawful! They have no books to speak of and apparently not even a bank account, (at least that’s what he’s telling the Court)
In reply to some insults I received from CaneRat back in September 2004, I took my appeal process to Bloemfontein, and was granted leave to appeal, and a panel of 3 judges overturned the decisions of that certain Judge (who is constantly in the news under dubious circumstances lately) and later Bloemfontein refused that man Van’s application to overturn my appeal. So many appeals – but my friend, you are no longer such an appealing person! The wheel turns slowly - but it turns!
Well, Supervan, we saw your Removal Van,
making everyone Super Happy, so all I have to say is
“Goodbye, you’ve had your chips”.
Looks like your years of flying paying passengers using private pilots out of an Industrial Area, over the N1 from Culemborg are also finally coming to an end, according to Saturday’s Argus; hopefully before you have any serious crashes!
Quite Ernestly: Have a good day raking in your ill-gotten gains, which you obtain to the detriment of the legitimate Helicopter Operators!
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Are you saying that the Huey and Frelon are NOT flying daily??
Dont count them out just yet. All the Rats on the Sinking Ship will no doubt find employment in the general vicinity...... So the Stigma should carry to other employers...
And the principals in this mess are still breathing air, so something will pop up somewhere if not in the Cape.
Dont count them out just yet. All the Rats on the Sinking Ship will no doubt find employment in the general vicinity...... So the Stigma should carry to other employers...
And the principals in this mess are still breathing air, so something will pop up somewhere if not in the Cape.
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Mac, not sure everyone is up to date, I'm not for sure (not keen to go raking back years on the thread).
Has the landowner evicted the gang from Culembourg, if so on what grounds? What did you succesfully appeal?
Talking of movie titles, perahaps a sequal to "Goodbye Mr Chips" could be "For Whom the Bell Tolls", followed by "The Birdman of Alcatraz". But then, perhaps, as Sousa intimates "The Great Escape".
Has the landowner evicted the gang from Culembourg, if so on what grounds? What did you succesfully appeal?
Talking of movie titles, perahaps a sequal to "Goodbye Mr Chips" could be "For Whom the Bell Tolls", followed by "The Birdman of Alcatraz". But then, perhaps, as Sousa intimates "The Great Escape".
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Huey Saga
The Shadow Darkens
I have noticed that, conveniently, there are never any news reporters in the High Court when I win my cases, however, for General Information; I have won the next round in my ongoing legal saga with the "Devil in Disguise" from the N1 freeway "Hell-hole".
For those who do not know or have forgotten; it all started way back when:- I filmed the illegal activities of my so-called neighbour on the Waterfront Helipad, and, against all logical odds, he actually won an Interdict to stop me filming. Apart from the filming, he also decided to sue me for "Loss of Earnings" to the tune of R1.5 Million, and ludicrously "Defamation of Character" (LOL) for a further R1.5 Million. He was awarded costs for the Interdict, and to that I objected, seeing that the proceedings are interlocutory, and I eventually won my appeal against those costs earlier this year.
I am counter suing, of course, and due to his demand for some R3 Million, I need to see his books, but, surprise, surprise, there are no books to speak of in this man's so-called "Club"! I have now succeeded in joining the so-called "Club" to the so-called "Ham Business" and the so-called "Owner of Companies", and now let's see what shakes out of the tree!
Years ago, when he started this whole legal saga, the newspapers referred to me as his "Shadow", but now he will see his "Shadow" darkening! The wheel turns slowly, but it does turn, and the chickens will eventually come home to roost.
Sorry my bent friend, but Honesty is always the Best Policy, and I will 'Ernestly' show you that Honesty will win out in the end.
I have noticed that, conveniently, there are never any news reporters in the High Court when I win my cases, however, for General Information; I have won the next round in my ongoing legal saga with the "Devil in Disguise" from the N1 freeway "Hell-hole".
For those who do not know or have forgotten; it all started way back when:- I filmed the illegal activities of my so-called neighbour on the Waterfront Helipad, and, against all logical odds, he actually won an Interdict to stop me filming. Apart from the filming, he also decided to sue me for "Loss of Earnings" to the tune of R1.5 Million, and ludicrously "Defamation of Character" (LOL) for a further R1.5 Million. He was awarded costs for the Interdict, and to that I objected, seeing that the proceedings are interlocutory, and I eventually won my appeal against those costs earlier this year.
I am counter suing, of course, and due to his demand for some R3 Million, I need to see his books, but, surprise, surprise, there are no books to speak of in this man's so-called "Club"! I have now succeeded in joining the so-called "Club" to the so-called "Ham Business" and the so-called "Owner of Companies", and now let's see what shakes out of the tree!
Years ago, when he started this whole legal saga, the newspapers referred to me as his "Shadow", but now he will see his "Shadow" darkening! The wheel turns slowly, but it does turn, and the chickens will eventually come home to roost.
Sorry my bent friend, but Honesty is always the Best Policy, and I will 'Ernestly' show you that Honesty will win out in the end.
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I got my front row seat, popcorn and coke, let the show begin, I was wondering why things have been so quiet on this topic....I'm sure Latent Heat & Gatvol will show up soon enough
Fighters to your corners please
Fighters to your corners please
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Sooner than you can believe..........LH will be here as soon as the "G" man can get the Vaseline on his hands and start wigglin the boys lips....(thats from the inside for all you folks from Wuppertal.)
So we have Ernest Mac with all of four posts on the the subject. Enlighten me as to who is Elvis. The only Elvis I ever met is dead now and rolling over in his grave with his out of control daughter getting her Wheels up and a wedding ring every week. He would have died anyway had she draged that little whatever Michael Jackson into Graceland while he was still breathing drugs.
Wait one, what were we talking about anyway. Oh yes, The Junkyard dogs and the Aluminum pile in the Cape.....
Certainly makes for an interesting read in this new South Africa. CAA wont approve them, yet they still fly? A few thousand threads on this forum have laid bare the reasons, yet they still exist and LH has enough funds for meailes at the end of the month. Pilots keep putting them in the logbooks to show......."I flew Hueys"......... Hope they want to make sure thats not in pencil. Looks better should they ever go to court and have to explain all the erase marks.
On the other side of the coin, a few in this country have done it properly and have some Hueys that are now working..... Hats off to those guys, they deserve a thread of their own, not to be mixed in with this group. I worked with one of the manufacturers of one of their machines and I know its quality, it also has a paper trail all the way back to Bell. Something the Cape crowd cant do.
So we have Ernest Mac with all of four posts on the the subject. Enlighten me as to who is Elvis. The only Elvis I ever met is dead now and rolling over in his grave with his out of control daughter getting her Wheels up and a wedding ring every week. He would have died anyway had she draged that little whatever Michael Jackson into Graceland while he was still breathing drugs.
Wait one, what were we talking about anyway. Oh yes, The Junkyard dogs and the Aluminum pile in the Cape.....
Certainly makes for an interesting read in this new South Africa. CAA wont approve them, yet they still fly? A few thousand threads on this forum have laid bare the reasons, yet they still exist and LH has enough funds for meailes at the end of the month. Pilots keep putting them in the logbooks to show......."I flew Hueys"......... Hope they want to make sure thats not in pencil. Looks better should they ever go to court and have to explain all the erase marks.
On the other side of the coin, a few in this country have done it properly and have some Hueys that are now working..... Hats off to those guys, they deserve a thread of their own, not to be mixed in with this group. I worked with one of the manufacturers of one of their machines and I know its quality, it also has a paper trail all the way back to Bell. Something the Cape crowd cant do.
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Huey saga set to land in court
Cape Times report
Huey helicopter saga set to land in court
The drawn-out battle between the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and the operator of the controversial Huey, a former military helicopter, is to continue in the Cape High Court soon.
Helicopter and Marine Services, the company owned by Gary van der Merwe and which flies the Huey, last year successfully applied to the Cape High Court for its second grounding order from the CAA in two years to be set aside.
The CAA has filed a counter-application for the order to be enforced, but this has yet to be ruled on. Van der Merwe is answering the counter-application.
The CAA, in a move described by Van der Merwe's lawyers as malicious, also issued a moratorium on the use of all former military aircraft to ensure compliance with aviation regulations.
This was set aside by the Cape High Court in September last year. A further hearing is pending.
CAA legal manager Ntheri Magoai said a court date ought to be fixed by the end of the month.
He said public complaints that the Huey had flown too low, "dive-bombed surfers and whales", and caused noise pollution were also being investigated. A joint police and CAA task team had been abandoned, however.
The CAA would pursue the matter alone as "the authorities had not come to the party", Magoai said.
He said the first team of CAA investigators had "not been very committed" to bringing the Huey operator to book, but a new team, led by a "formidable" senior advocate, was compiling "a much stronger case" against the company.
The National Prosecuting Authority (NPA), in whose court the ball lay, could not prosecute without adequate evidence from the CAA, he said.
In correspondence with the NPA, Peter Mihalik, for Van der Merwe, said there seemed to be a vendetta against his client by some CAA investigators. He said the grounding orders had been issued on technical grounds, not because the Huey had been found to be unairworthy.
Helicopter and Marine Services employs 72 people.
The drawn-out battle between the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and the operator of the controversial Huey, a former military helicopter, is to continue in the Cape High Court soon.
Helicopter and Marine Services, the company owned by Gary van der Merwe and which flies the Huey, last year successfully applied to the Cape High Court for its second grounding order from the CAA in two years to be set aside.
The CAA has filed a counter-application for the order to be enforced, but this has yet to be ruled on. Van der Merwe is answering the counter-application.
The CAA, in a move described by Van der Merwe's lawyers as malicious, also issued a moratorium on the use of all former military aircraft to ensure compliance with aviation regulations.
This was set aside by the Cape High Court in September last year. A further hearing is pending.
CAA legal manager Ntheri Magoai said a court date ought to be fixed by the end of the month.
He said public complaints that the Huey had flown too low, "dive-bombed surfers and whales", and caused noise pollution were also being investigated. A joint police and CAA task team had been abandoned, however.
The CAA would pursue the matter alone as "the authorities had not come to the party", Magoai said.
He said the first team of CAA investigators had "not been very committed" to bringing the Huey operator to book, but a new team, led by a "formidable" senior advocate, was compiling "a much stronger case" against the company.
The National Prosecuting Authority (NPA), in whose court the ball lay, could not prosecute without adequate evidence from the CAA, he said.
In correspondence with the NPA, Peter Mihalik, for Van der Merwe, said there seemed to be a vendetta against his client by some CAA investigators. He said the grounding orders had been issued on technical grounds, not because the Huey had been found to be unairworthy.
Helicopter and Marine Services employs 72 people.
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Heliport. You of all people know there is an extensive thread on this forum regarding the subject. Please connect the two......(you may have to search, but its in a fever pitch at the other website.)
"In correspondence with the NPA, Peter Mihalik, for Van der Merwe, said there seemed to be a vendetta against his client by some CAA investigators. He said the grounding orders had been issued on technical grounds, not because the Huey had been found to be unairworthy."
Small things, like no Historical records for anything including the airframe. No Airworthiness Certificate etc......
One of the longest threads on the African Aviation forum.
"In correspondence with the NPA, Peter Mihalik, for Van der Merwe, said there seemed to be a vendetta against his client by some CAA investigators. He said the grounding orders had been issued on technical grounds, not because the Huey had been found to be unairworthy."
Small things, like no Historical records for anything including the airframe. No Airworthiness Certificate etc......
One of the longest threads on the African Aviation forum.
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At your service Bert.
I did a search as you suggested, and here's the link to the thread in the African Aviation forum >>> Cape Town Huey
Seems to me some, repeat some, of the people in CT claiming to be concerned about safety are jumping on the flight safety bandwagon because they don't want the noise of Huey operating near them.
BTW, since it's a helicopter-specific story I don't see any problem mentioning it in this forum as well.
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I did a search as you suggested, and here's the link to the thread in the African Aviation forum >>> Cape Town Huey
Seems to me some, repeat some, of the people in CT claiming to be concerned about safety are jumping on the flight safety bandwagon because they don't want the noise of Huey operating near them.
BTW, since it's a helicopter-specific story I don't see any problem mentioning it in this forum as well.
Heliport
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HP agree with that but I think maybe having the thread posted on both if that were possible. They are certainly giving a black eye to Aviation in SA.
The Link is OK.........
The Link is OK.........
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On the other side of the coin, a few in this country have done it properly and have some Hueys that are now working.....
Bert - Can you post the info on the ones working in the USA I am in LA in November and would like to see them / do a few hours if they are in striking distance?
Bert - Can you post the info on the ones working in the USA I am in LA in November and would like to see them / do a few hours if they are in striking distance?
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I was talking about South Africa at the time of that post. They have some that have been imported and are operating by the rules versus the Capetown Crowd.
Is that LA as in Louisiana, or LA as in Los Angeles??. Heres a site that has a bunch of them. www.alea.org albeit I dont think you will be riding in them. In the states all UH-1s are under Restricted Category, therfore only essential crew allowed. You can get a transition, but you have to be emploted by the company. Someone else here may have a better idea.
Is that LA as in Louisiana, or LA as in Los Angeles??. Heres a site that has a bunch of them. www.alea.org albeit I dont think you will be riding in them. In the states all UH-1s are under Restricted Category, therfore only essential crew allowed. You can get a transition, but you have to be emploted by the company. Someone else here may have a better idea.