"Supervised" solo flight
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the beater
Might I suggest that we ask about how important members of the Royal family obtained their licences?
the beater
Might I suggest that we ask about how important members of the Royal family obtained their licences?
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From: An Irish dude in Houston, TX. I miss home!!!
The only time I've heard the term supervised solo before is on the first 2 solo flights. But the CFI isn't in the chopper. They will be outside watching,
The first solo, as i'm sure you all know is the hover solo with the CFI watching on and giving hand gestures such as, pick up, set down, hover left, etc.....
The second is the pattern solo with the CFI watching on and possibly in radio contact.
Some places refer to this as "Supervised Solo". Maybe this is what the guy was talking about.
The first solo, as i'm sure you all know is the hover solo with the CFI watching on and giving hand gestures such as, pick up, set down, hover left, etc.....
The second is the pattern solo with the CFI watching on and possibly in radio contact.
Some places refer to this as "Supervised Solo". Maybe this is what the guy was talking about.
Hovering AND talking
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The first solo, as i'm sure you all know is the hover solo
I have heard of this "supervised" solo thing before from an FAA PPL(H) but didn't believe it.
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the beater
Charles, the Prince of Wales did a wings course, Prince Andrew did a complete flying course and by the time William checks out as a qualified SAR pilot so will he have done a wings qualifying course. Just what is your problem? Or are you another annoying little republican?
Hovering AND talking
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
are the 10 hours solo towards the PPL(H) usually charged at dual instruction rate
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(Edited to add: My initial comment was on the presumption that your initial training was under the JAA system. However, after having had a quick look at your profile, I'm guessing that you might have first trained under FAA. My comment applies to JAA.)
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Originally Posted by Bravo73
Originally Posted by TorqueStripe
The solo x-country flight and a 'regular, unsupervised' flight were charged as SFH.
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From: Nigeria
The Canadian military has 'supervised solo' system in place for very spcific conditions. I would expect other militaries to have similar systems in place. There were no 'hours requirements', merely a syllabus to complete.
I have never seen a civil school operate this way (they do not operate under conditions that should require it). Clearly, as others have mentiond, it is not legal in a civil environment.
I have never seen a civil school operate this way (they do not operate under conditions that should require it). Clearly, as others have mentiond, it is not legal in a civil environment.
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From: queensland australia
there has been many instances of pilots in australia having done no solo time prior to issue of their licence, i have met a few.
although there is no requirement for supervised solo, (instructor watching from the ground), in australia, i make a point of doing a couple of hours on the ground to look for accuracy in the circuit, and make videos of the student flying, they get a kick out of it.
although there is no requirement for supervised solo, (instructor watching from the ground), in australia, i make a point of doing a couple of hours on the ground to look for accuracy in the circuit, and make videos of the student flying, they get a kick out of it.
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From: USA (PA)
Out of the FAA regs:
Although I couldn't find the definition of "solo flight" under § 61.1 Definitions and Abbreviations (as if it isn't clear enough
), but we do all agree that one need to do 10 hours of solo flight under § 61.109 right? The examiner will check if the applicant logged those ours in his logbook and at least here is where it's getting interesting...
How can somebody have a different interpretation of "sole occupant of the aircraft"?:
Although I couldn't find the definition of "solo flight" under § 61.1 Definitions and Abbreviations (as if it isn't clear enough
), but we do all agree that one need to do 10 hours of solo flight under § 61.109 right? The examiner will check if the applicant logged those ours in his logbook and at least here is where it's getting interesting...How can somebody have a different interpretation of "sole occupant of the aircraft"?:
§ 61.51 Pilot logbooks.
[...]
(c) Logging of pilot time. The pilot time described in this section may be used to:
(1) Apply for a certificate or rating issued under this part or a privilege authorized under this part; or
(2) Satisfy the recent flight experience requirements of this part.
(d) Logging of solo flight time. Except for a student pilot performing the duties of pilot in command of an airship requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember, a pilot may log as solo flight time only that flight time when the pilot is the sole occupant of the aircraft.
[...]
(c) Logging of pilot time. The pilot time described in this section may be used to:
(1) Apply for a certificate or rating issued under this part or a privilege authorized under this part; or
(2) Satisfy the recent flight experience requirements of this part.
(d) Logging of solo flight time. Except for a student pilot performing the duties of pilot in command of an airship requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember, a pilot may log as solo flight time only that flight time when the pilot is the sole occupant of the aircraft.
Last edited by Phil77; 21st October 2008 at 03:34. Reason: clarification
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I have never heard of supervised solo in the USA. I own a flight school in the USA and you are either solo or you are not. If someone says they obtained a certificate without actually flying solo that should be reported to the FAA for investigation. In my school if you are solo you pay the solo rate.
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Chopperpilot47
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Chopperpilot47
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where I'm based (US), supervised solo is purely and simply, observing from the ground with a handheld, anything more is doing the student a disservice in the long term, and is also ILLEGAL!!
We charge dual time for it, as correctly stated earlier, you're flying on the instructors licence and they're spending time on the ground observing.
What an arrogant post from Head Turner that I can only attribute to dangling the bait, as I hope no-one holds that view in reality.
We charge dual time for it, as correctly stated earlier, you're flying on the instructors licence and they're spending time on the ground observing.
What an arrogant post from Head Turner that I can only attribute to dangling the bait, as I hope no-one holds that view in reality.
