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For a twin type rating you´re supposed to do a little external load training.
Tighten the line, power check.
Pick up load, power check.
Take off and fly a pattern, put the load onto a certain spot.
Same thing about three or four times...
The guy on the skids is the flight test engineer....
All in all VERY professional training.
Tighten the line, power check.
Pick up load, power check.
Take off and fly a pattern, put the load onto a certain spot.
Same thing about three or four times...
The guy on the skids is the flight test engineer....
All in all VERY professional training.
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He was the nice guy to help out in the training, giving the ground instruction.
On the flight portion he was telling when line is tight, when load is airborne.
And telling me when the load was on the spot and to be released.
This was for flight training purposes only! New type and what´s assiociated with it.They do thourough instruction and leave nothing to be desired.
Usually ext loads are flown by pilot only of course.
On the flight portion he was telling when line is tight, when load is airborne.
And telling me when the load was on the spot and to be released.
This was for flight training purposes only! New type and what´s assiociated with it.They do thourough instruction and leave nothing to be desired.
Usually ext loads are flown by pilot only of course.
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From: Downeast
1. Parking Brakes Locked.
2. As rear wheels touch down....cyclic two inches aft on the indicator.
3. Control yaw with pedals.
4. Control pitch attitude with Thrust Lever (Collective).
2. As rear wheels touch down....cyclic two inches aft on the indicator.
3. Control yaw with pedals.
4. Control pitch attitude with Thrust Lever (Collective).
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From: Europe
@GoodGrief
External load training isn't part of the a twin type rating. Also not on ECD.
There are much TR courses on ECD and nobody have to fly external loads.
Also flight test engineers of the ECD test branch don't taking part on training courses because they are too expensive.
In case of external load operations using this double hook cargo system, it's necessary to have a "hook operator" because the pilot have only a mechanical emergency releasing system on the pitch.
I assume that you was on a flight checking out a problem with this a/c (btw not an ECD ship, it's a helicopter of the bavarian police squadron, one of the first EC 135).
Interesting is to see this a/c is equipped with a double cargo hook. Flying loads attached only on a single hook is only approved on the hook nr.1. But hook number 1 isn't the forward hook... they used the hook nr.2
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External load training isn't part of the a twin type rating. Also not on ECD.
There are much TR courses on ECD and nobody have to fly external loads.
Also flight test engineers of the ECD test branch don't taking part on training courses because they are too expensive.
In case of external load operations using this double hook cargo system, it's necessary to have a "hook operator" because the pilot have only a mechanical emergency releasing system on the pitch.
I assume that you was on a flight checking out a problem with this a/c (btw not an ECD ship, it's a helicopter of the bavarian police squadron, one of the first EC 135).
Interesting is to see this a/c is equipped with a double cargo hook. Flying loads attached only on a single hook is only approved on the hook nr.1. But hook number 1 isn't the forward hook... they used the hook nr.2
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@tecpilot
Well, on my rating external load was part of the training, and the hook was operated by the flight test engineer who also gave the ground instruction on the hook system.
The initial training was done on a T2, the yellow helicopter you see in pic 1.
The police helicopter is a P2 which was used for the differences in training because in JAA land a type rating in your ticket says "EC135P/135T".
Both aircraft were chartered from the respective operators by ECD, and HBYG especially because of P2 AND double hook.
Type ratings are not given on ECD ships because ECD has no ships.
ratings are given on customer aircraft, so when you buy one you get training on your own helicopter.
But I didn´t buy one...
Well, on my rating external load was part of the training, and the hook was operated by the flight test engineer who also gave the ground instruction on the hook system.
The initial training was done on a T2, the yellow helicopter you see in pic 1.
The police helicopter is a P2 which was used for the differences in training because in JAA land a type rating in your ticket says "EC135P/135T".
Both aircraft were chartered from the respective operators by ECD, and HBYG especially because of P2 AND double hook.
Type ratings are not given on ECD ships because ECD has no ships.
ratings are given on customer aircraft, so when you buy one you get training on your own helicopter.
But I didn´t buy one...
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From: Sydney
WaterFalls
What a long & interesting bit of string this thread is, all decorated with picture postcard snaps of people havin' a life in choppers.
Isn't it weird how, after you've learned to fly 'em, it takes a while to find something you really like to do. The commercials drift into sling loads, charter, fire fighting or whatever while us PPLs......well some of us developed a weakness for water falls.
I call this my spot-the-chopper pic!
Isn't it weird how, after you've learned to fly 'em, it takes a while to find something you really like to do. The commercials drift into sling loads, charter, fire fighting or whatever while us PPLs......well some of us developed a weakness for water falls.
I call this my spot-the-chopper pic!
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Blackwater (Presidential Airways) has some 530F's in Iraq but I have not seen or heard of them using rocket pods. Other videos showed them with open doors and hand held Smoke Poles pointing out of the doors.
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Originally Posted by SASless
Blackwater (Presidential Airways) has some 530F's in Iraq but I have not seen or heard of them using rocket pods. Other videos showed them with open doors and hand held Smoke Poles pointing out of the doors.
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From: SX in SX in UK
Looking at old photos and & found this. A Sea King 5 came to visit us at work, as we'd done part of the avionics refit.
This is the special version with the Extra-High-resolution radar mod.
If I'd been 20ft to my left, it would have had the Mast-Mounted water-tank mod.
This is the special version with the Extra-High-resolution radar mod.
If I'd been 20ft to my left, it would have had the Mast-Mounted water-tank mod.
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From: At Work
That does not look like a 530 but a 500. It does not look like it has the engine door fairings as the C30 sticks out the bottom and it does not look like it has the tail boom extension. Looks like a regular 500 with one of those little C20's.