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Multi-crew logging of time

Old 22nd Mar 2013, 08:38
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Under JAR, for both pilots to log flight time in a designated single pilot aircraft, you must have an approved multi-crew section in your ops manual. Then one pilot would log P1 and the other pilot P2. (Unless, of course, you are carrying out training then it would be P1 & PU/T).

If there is no multicrew provision in your ops manual, like you've said, then only one pilot can log P1.
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Old 22nd Mar 2013, 09:14
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If both pilots are rated, the Copilot also needs to hold the ATPL-H theory.

If the Operations Manual does not reflect Multi Pilot operations, then the second pilot can´t log anything...

This are the rules....
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Old 22nd Mar 2013, 09:33
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There is only one PIC and the other is SIC or Co-pilot or P2.

PIC is about more than poling the machine around. It includes pre-flight planning and execution of the mission in it's entirety. So if you take the controls as 'PICUS' for 20 minutes out of flight that was planned,approved and signed for by the other guy or gal?
You are not in any way performing as a PIC, you are just handling the a/c in your role as a co-pilot.

PICUS is for use when under a formal upgrade program and only when you're flying with a trainer.

Becoming a trainer requires a regulated course itself (except line training) and the amount of trainers is usually limited by the authority to ensure that the approved trainers have enough workload to maintain currency in the role. When the time comes to upgrade, the flight is conducted under completely different terms; with an approved trainer giving more latitude and demanding more information about why you make the decisions you do!

I use the word trainer to cover the international nomenclature for Check Airman-TRI/TRE etc
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Old 22nd Mar 2013, 11:46
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On a SPH operation and SPH means without CAA approved and in RFM/ops manual/AOC described MPH operation, just the a/c PIC are able to log flight times. Safety or "customer wished" second pilots don't exist in JAR-FCL and in EU-FCL.

MPH flight times can only be logged after MCC and MPH check rides. SPH training flights are allways still SPH operation with a PIC and a FI but no MPH times.

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