Vic Police Air Wing On The Move?
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Vic Police Air Wing On The Move?
Anyone know anything about the soon to be announced move for the coppers? As I have it, YMEN is no longer suitable due to cost and redevelopment plans. Sounds like YMMB will be putting up an offer too good to refuse. Watch this space more to follow.....
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Hey what's really happenning with the new contract...was to be announced I believe year or so ago? Heard that CHC got the contract...is that right?
As to moving to YMMB...you're dreaming! When I was looking for a job there a few years back found out that most of your aircrew including the boss lived north of Melb.....do you really think they'll want to move south
As to moving to YMMB...you're dreaming! When I was looking for a job there a few years back found out that most of your aircrew including the boss lived north of Melb.....do you really think they'll want to move south
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The way I understand it....Presently CHC owns and leases the aircraft to Vic Pol (2 x N3, 1 x C1 and 1 x 350), which includes maintenance on-site 7 days per week. I'm told that the two N3's average about 150 hours per month so that must keep the maintenance crew busy!!
As to the vacant C&T position, I'm told that the position may get advertised when the Chief Pilot gets back from 4 months leave sometime in mid to late March....
As to the vacant C&T position, I'm told that the position may get advertised when the Chief Pilot gets back from 4 months leave sometime in mid to late March....
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Nope it was PR who has gone to ESSO.
My source there says that there appears to be a high turnover of C & T pilots with 3 leaving in past few years apparently due to having hard time working under the CP. In fact my source says that morale amongst the crew has been very high the past 3 months whilst the CP is on leave until march or so!!
My source there says that there appears to be a high turnover of C & T pilots with 3 leaving in past few years apparently due to having hard time working under the CP. In fact my source says that morale amongst the crew has been very high the past 3 months whilst the CP is on leave until march or so!!
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Hey Bomber,
Just got the guff from the inside.....
Looks like they are staying with the N3's and that the old C model is being replaced with another new N3 (NVG compatible from factory). Also the rumour is that their AS350 is being replaced with a light twin (also to be NVG compatible).
As far as goggles the latest is that they have around 10 sets of ANVIS 9 goggles sitting in the store, have got their application with CASA and that it is all OK with CASA, just waiting for one of the N3's to be modified, which is in the process of being done. Once the cockpit is done the Air Wing is ready to start training all its pilots and crew....this is all the info I could get.
Just got the guff from the inside.....
Looks like they are staying with the N3's and that the old C model is being replaced with another new N3 (NVG compatible from factory). Also the rumour is that their AS350 is being replaced with a light twin (also to be NVG compatible).
As far as goggles the latest is that they have around 10 sets of ANVIS 9 goggles sitting in the store, have got their application with CASA and that it is all OK with CASA, just waiting for one of the N3's to be modified, which is in the process of being done. Once the cockpit is done the Air Wing is ready to start training all its pilots and crew....this is all the info I could get.
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Contractor has lost the contract and positions are now Esso jumpers. First 11 means high timers and lotsa multi and CIR renewals. Better conditions and job security. S-76's to be replaced at some point with something that has than more than 2 x centrifugal compressors.
Good job for Oil and Gas. Fixed base and home every night except for currency TRG etc. Guys are good bunch of blokes and enjoy the op.
Max
Contractor has lost the contract and positions are now Esso jumpers. First 11 means high timers and lotsa multi and CIR renewals. Better conditions and job security. S-76's to be replaced at some point with something that has than more than 2 x centrifugal compressors.
Good job for Oil and Gas. Fixed base and home every night except for currency TRG etc. Guys are good bunch of blokes and enjoy the op.
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Abosolutely Esso has better super and probably the same level of job security. Vic Pol was going through and industrial relations process approx 12-18 months ago which was the subject of a new EBA. Not sure how the guys faired however Esso well over the 6 fig mark for CAPTs and I think Vic Pol still under the 6 fig mark.
Working at Vic Pol for the $ makes life difficult when the job entails living in a capital city (housing dearer, kids schools, cost of living etc etc etc). Sale cheap and good options for boating ,close to snow, cost of living less.
Really boils downs to what you want to do.
1. Fly French twin, chase people, lost cats and dogs, missing Helgas caught in the Dandenongs, high speed pursuits travelling west through Broadmedows, Air ambulance.
"OR"
2. Fly an American twin, helicopter airlines, RPT fixed base 90% day ops 10 % night, and 7 days out of 14 working. More $ and cheaper living costs.
Both are multi eng jobs with a requirement for a CIR. Both have well maintained machines and both have a strict entry requirements to keep the tyre kickers away.
Either or. Whatever floats your heli!
Max
Working at Vic Pol for the $ makes life difficult when the job entails living in a capital city (housing dearer, kids schools, cost of living etc etc etc). Sale cheap and good options for boating ,close to snow, cost of living less.
Really boils downs to what you want to do.
1. Fly French twin, chase people, lost cats and dogs, missing Helgas caught in the Dandenongs, high speed pursuits travelling west through Broadmedows, Air ambulance.
"OR"
2. Fly an American twin, helicopter airlines, RPT fixed base 90% day ops 10 % night, and 7 days out of 14 working. More $ and cheaper living costs.
Both are multi eng jobs with a requirement for a CIR. Both have well maintained machines and both have a strict entry requirements to keep the tyre kickers away.
Either or. Whatever floats your heli!
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Hey maxeem,
Inside info is that CJ is not the CP, TG still is. CJ is back on line after filling in as C & T whilst MT was doing the deputy CP position as TG is back next week.
My informant tells me that a senior line driver at Vic Pol is on about $78,000 + shift allowances and OT (works out roughly to an extra $4000 a year) + super....that's it (around $82,000). The super is tied to how loyal you are.....that is, you got be in a long time, contribute about 8% and then you are rewarded with 8 times your salary...but you have to be in a looong time to get it....so my informant tells me.
So I guess ESSO pays real well and conditions real good....if you like going from A to B then back again day after day after day.....
Inside info is that CJ is not the CP, TG still is. CJ is back on line after filling in as C & T whilst MT was doing the deputy CP position as TG is back next week.
My informant tells me that a senior line driver at Vic Pol is on about $78,000 + shift allowances and OT (works out roughly to an extra $4000 a year) + super....that's it (around $82,000). The super is tied to how loyal you are.....that is, you got be in a long time, contribute about 8% and then you are rewarded with 8 times your salary...but you have to be in a looong time to get it....so my informant tells me.
So I guess ESSO pays real well and conditions real good....if you like going from A to B then back again day after day after day.....
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Maxee,
With all due respect for your independent opinion I have to ask a question -are you already at esso or have close ties to someone who is?
What is their selection criteria for Capt and Co-pilot?
What can I expect is Vicpol's criteria for entry when they finally advertise?
Do you have to have nvg quals and experience (i.e. be ex mil)?
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With all due respect for your independent opinion I have to ask a question -are you already at esso or have close ties to someone who is?
What is their selection criteria for Capt and Co-pilot?
What can I expect is Vicpol's criteria for entry when they finally advertise?
Do you have to have nvg quals and experience (i.e. be ex mil)?
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Hey Rivnut,
Oversimplifying things a little, aren't we?
That would be A to B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,or R and back plus all over in between, in pristine aircraft, challenging weather, most lifts max performance and on the fuel line.
For about half as much again as the cops, plus car, plus super (really good super), plus shares (in a pretty handy global company), plus golden handshake.
I hear that those guys really love it.
beers and cheers,
zoid
Oversimplifying things a little, aren't we?
That would be A to B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,or R and back plus all over in between, in pristine aircraft, challenging weather, most lifts max performance and on the fuel line.
For about half as much again as the cops, plus car, plus super (really good super), plus shares (in a pretty handy global company), plus golden handshake.
I hear that those guys really love it.
beers and cheers,
zoid
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From your handle (landed 1 ACFT no pax) I suspect you are ex mil, in fact you know you are. Don't know if NVG is a must however will help heaps. EMS and Pol air all going to be NVG eventually (better SA and no more black hole night unaided apps with the night sun). NVG Currently the domain of the mil. This will change as folks are trained up however, at present NVG new commers may be too expensive to insure and hence ex mil (NVG Qualified) folks will probably get the gig. I suspect that means > 10 hrs NVG and not the full faced fives from last century. This has been the recent experience with Aust Helicopters, and no I'm not at Esso.
Requiremets for Esso, CHC, Bristows as a CAPT, lotsa multi (1500 hrs In Comd min) and at least 3000 hrs Heli. The rest depends upon Market forces. Most folks have the tot heli but can't get enough china graph to log the multi.
Vic Pol succuessful in their NVG trial however CASA yet to approve full time NVG ops in their AOC.
Birdie tells me they will advertise soon, however this is for a C & T posn.
Rivnut-All good stuff agree with all you have said. Still **** money to punch a med level twin around IFR and maintain a CIR and potentially operate on NVG's. As I said it depends on what floats your heli, given the choice and the mix of guys at Esso I would/will choose Esso.
Either way both good options.
Good luck to all.
Max
From your handle (landed 1 ACFT no pax) I suspect you are ex mil, in fact you know you are. Don't know if NVG is a must however will help heaps. EMS and Pol air all going to be NVG eventually (better SA and no more black hole night unaided apps with the night sun). NVG Currently the domain of the mil. This will change as folks are trained up however, at present NVG new commers may be too expensive to insure and hence ex mil (NVG Qualified) folks will probably get the gig. I suspect that means > 10 hrs NVG and not the full faced fives from last century. This has been the recent experience with Aust Helicopters, and no I'm not at Esso.
Requiremets for Esso, CHC, Bristows as a CAPT, lotsa multi (1500 hrs In Comd min) and at least 3000 hrs Heli. The rest depends upon Market forces. Most folks have the tot heli but can't get enough china graph to log the multi.
Vic Pol succuessful in their NVG trial however CASA yet to approve full time NVG ops in their AOC.
Birdie tells me they will advertise soon, however this is for a C & T posn.
Rivnut-All good stuff agree with all you have said. Still **** money to punch a med level twin around IFR and maintain a CIR and potentially operate on NVG's. As I said it depends on what floats your heli, given the choice and the mix of guys at Esso I would/will choose Esso.
Either way both good options.
Good luck to all.
Max
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Greetings All,
I'll buy today, Guinness all round?
The cops have a few more unlisted perqs. Like how much is time off worth to you. Many PAW guys (including past and present management pilots) have worked a lot of casual during their NINE weeks annual leave and accrued time off.
Say, these days you can get between $325 and $495 - ish per day doing casuals, you could build as much as $31185 (calculators out) if you worked those 63 days A/L. Plus, you could work 1 or 2 days per fortnight around town or up the snow flying or doing some external C&T. Makes that money look pretty good now doesn't it? 82k plus say conservatively 25k AND cheap Maccas to boot.... boys you're into six numbers and a top menu there.
Some guys are always crying poor... what is it.....I didn't know we were in the year of the dollar. By the way, I am not being picky about it, sheesh!!.... sounds like a great idea to me.
In the interest of all cards on the table,
DD
I'll buy today, Guinness all round?
The cops have a few more unlisted perqs. Like how much is time off worth to you. Many PAW guys (including past and present management pilots) have worked a lot of casual during their NINE weeks annual leave and accrued time off.
Say, these days you can get between $325 and $495 - ish per day doing casuals, you could build as much as $31185 (calculators out) if you worked those 63 days A/L. Plus, you could work 1 or 2 days per fortnight around town or up the snow flying or doing some external C&T. Makes that money look pretty good now doesn't it? 82k plus say conservatively 25k AND cheap Maccas to boot.... boys you're into six numbers and a top menu there.
Some guys are always crying poor... what is it.....I didn't know we were in the year of the dollar. By the way, I am not being picky about it, sheesh!!.... sounds like a great idea to me.
In the interest of all cards on the table,
DD
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Understand what you have said. Good luck to the boys and I'll have a Killkeny as well. Not sure I would want to work on my hols cause I like my hols. Moon lighting is generally cause you need the extra money.
Places like Esso, CHC, Bristows are all about working 7 days out of 14 and then having 6 weeks off plus 10 paid sick days a year leave, so "time off" calculators out thats 6 months working a year (26 wks) minus 6 wks off for leave thats 20 wks per year working (not including sick leave) for over (well and truly) the 6 fig, plus a car plus super plus hand shake, plus the guys there can always hack some ADF reserve time (tax free $) on their days off if they want.
As you said what price do you put on your time (heaps)
Persoanlly I would rather run a second business and ski in the winter.
As I said previous It all depends on what floats your Heli.
Beer O'clock
Max
Understand what you have said. Good luck to the boys and I'll have a Killkeny as well. Not sure I would want to work on my hols cause I like my hols. Moon lighting is generally cause you need the extra money.
Places like Esso, CHC, Bristows are all about working 7 days out of 14 and then having 6 weeks off plus 10 paid sick days a year leave, so "time off" calculators out thats 6 months working a year (26 wks) minus 6 wks off for leave thats 20 wks per year working (not including sick leave) for over (well and truly) the 6 fig, plus a car plus super plus hand shake, plus the guys there can always hack some ADF reserve time (tax free $) on their days off if they want.
As you said what price do you put on your time (heaps)
Persoanlly I would rather run a second business and ski in the winter.
As I said previous It all depends on what floats your Heli.
Beer O'clock
Max