Value of Police Helicopter Support Confirmed
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Vfrpilotpb,
looking back through my own records for this year, so far it works out at an "average" of 3.1 sorties per shift with an "average" sortie lasting 58.3 minutes.
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looking back through my own records for this year, so far it works out at an "average" of 3.1 sorties per shift with an "average" sortie lasting 58.3 minutes.
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T&B, might be my civvie abreviation, I will use Heli in future, thanks for pointing that out, but on second thougts "Helo Sailor" might suit others, Eh !
Forty Odd, of your startups on the average day are any needed to be classed as Scramble type's?
by the way T&B the piccie wont open, nor will TC's, is it my comp, or the master?
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Forty Odd, of your startups on the average day are any needed to be classed as Scramble type's?
by the way T&B the piccie wont open, nor will TC's, is it my comp, or the master?
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Vfrpilotpb,
As most UK police helicopters do not patrol, many, if not most of them are what you would prehaps describe as "scramble starts".
My quickest time for starting and lifting off in a twin engined aircraft was less than 50 seconds from running out of the door, but I am sure someone can beat that.
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As most UK police helicopters do not patrol, many, if not most of them are what you would prehaps describe as "scramble starts".
My quickest time for starting and lifting off in a twin engined aircraft was less than 50 seconds from running out of the door, but I am sure someone can beat that.
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Vfrpilotpb,
Not that many. The aircraft that I fly has a very quick, FADEC controlled start sequence. Normal time from callout to "skids off" is under 3 minutes. The only difference that a "scramble" start makes is the speed at which I get to the aircraft when the bell goes off.
Not that many. The aircraft that I fly has a very quick, FADEC controlled start sequence. Normal time from callout to "skids off" is under 3 minutes. The only difference that a "scramble" start makes is the speed at which I get to the aircraft when the bell goes off.
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Re the last few answers about scramble or quick starts, I am sorry to labour the point but, if your Police Heli's have to be tasked PDQ, is your start system automatic as the FADEC, or do you still have to watch such things as temp rises and torqs of engines, prior to actually feeding in the power to rotors, I only ask this for on a slightly similar thread, a member is stating a lot of problems with Police Heli engines. And I wondered, if you chaps have auto start systems that should not happen, but is it possible on a manual start of a twin, for on the B206 I find such a lot to occupy my mind at the start, but having two engines must be a nightmare, if you are being pressed, I only asked Cos I am interested , I am not looking to pierce anybody
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VFRoohbloodyoohbloodah:
At our Unit, we keep the engines running all the time at ground idle. It's not that bad really when you consider the costs of stopping and starting fifteen times from cold per shift which takes a terrible toll on the bearings and starter generators. By comparison the amount of fuel used keeping it rotors running (albeit slowly) and engines at GI is insignificant over an 8 hour shift. Only problem though: a bit noisy after a while.
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At our Unit, we keep the engines running all the time at ground idle. It's not that bad really when you consider the costs of stopping and starting fifteen times from cold per shift which takes a terrible toll on the bearings and starter generators. By comparison the amount of fuel used keeping it rotors running (albeit slowly) and engines at GI is insignificant over an 8 hour shift. Only problem though: a bit noisy after a while.
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Vfrthingamybob,
Yes, even with FADEC in charge, it pays to keep a wary eye on the T's, P's and Speeds until the start sequence is complete. Even computers can get it wrong sometimes.
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Yes, even with FADEC in charge, it pays to keep a wary eye on the T's, P's and Speeds until the start sequence is complete. Even computers can get it wrong sometimes.
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Apologies if this is seen as re-opening old wounds, but having just been browsing through JetBlast one particular thread caught my eye. It's the one called "Hire Cars", and there's a comment in jocular vein about someone who, while zooming across Dartmoor, ended up with something bovine embedded in the bonnet.
As I shall shortly be returning to live in that area after 3 years in Borneo, and my 7 year old son will be walking along one of those lanes to get to school each day, may I state here that if the Devon and Cornwall Constabulary wish to use helicopters (or hot-air balloons, UAVs, Concorde or even the bloody Space Shuttle...) to track down and stop high speed driving around that part of Dartmoor, I shall not begrudge one penny paid to them in tax for the purpose of doing so. Even though the drivers concerned are, as was mentioned in a previous post, no more likely to riot or rob than I am to get a w*** off the Pope, they are still carrying out a criminal act in a lethal piece of machinery.
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As I shall shortly be returning to live in that area after 3 years in Borneo, and my 7 year old son will be walking along one of those lanes to get to school each day, may I state here that if the Devon and Cornwall Constabulary wish to use helicopters (or hot-air balloons, UAVs, Concorde or even the bloody Space Shuttle...) to track down and stop high speed driving around that part of Dartmoor, I shall not begrudge one penny paid to them in tax for the purpose of doing so. Even though the drivers concerned are, as was mentioned in a previous post, no more likely to riot or rob than I am to get a w*** off the Pope, they are still carrying out a criminal act in a lethal piece of machinery.
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T_and_B
Can we assume that your post is also "a comment in jocular vein"?
I don't know much about Borneo apart from the odd movie but is your 7 year old used to cars?
If you post the times and places he'll be walking to and from school, I'm sure we can get the local police heli to shadow him - at a safe height, of course.
In the meantime, you might want to run through the Highway and Green Cross Codes with him in case they unexpectedly get called away to deal with crime?
Can we assume that your post is also "a comment in jocular vein"?
I don't know much about Borneo apart from the odd movie but is your 7 year old used to cars?
If you post the times and places he'll be walking to and from school, I'm sure we can get the local police heli to shadow him - at a safe height, of course.
In the meantime, you might want to run through the Highway and Green Cross Codes with him in case they unexpectedly get called away to deal with crime?
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Yeah, right. Cars here drive on the same side of the road as they do in Malaysia, Indonesia, Japan, India - and the UK. The drivers hereabouts seem to have been taught by the same people who teach most of the Devon farmers the rules of the road. That is, they aren't the most aware, but they're slow and generally considerate. Son Mk 1 has had plenty of exposure to normal risks, ta. He also used to walk aforementioned route to school (with his mum) for 1 term as a 4-year old before they joined me here.
So, up to speed on safety consciousness there then, allowing for the inevitable lapses of concentration primary school kids have from time to time. Drivers have those lapses too; the difference is that a driver doing 50 through the 30mph-limit lanes is lethal, whereas a 7 year old walking inadvertantly into something slower isn't. Avoidable road accidents, where driver negligence is involved, are a crime.
I stand by what I said - use whatever means available to stop the bu**ers from posing a threat to me and mine, and I'll cheerfully pay the tax bills. I'd rather stump-up for the use of the Police heli as a pre-emptive measure than have to rely on the charity-funded Air Ambulance to pick my lad up afterwards, OK?
oh, and too to show no hard feelings - just strong ones.
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Yeah, right. Cars here drive on the same side of the road as they do in Malaysia, Indonesia, Japan, India - and the UK. The drivers hereabouts seem to have been taught by the same people who teach most of the Devon farmers the rules of the road. That is, they aren't the most aware, but they're slow and generally considerate. Son Mk 1 has had plenty of exposure to normal risks, ta. He also used to walk aforementioned route to school (with his mum) for 1 term as a 4-year old before they joined me here.
So, up to speed on safety consciousness there then, allowing for the inevitable lapses of concentration primary school kids have from time to time. Drivers have those lapses too; the difference is that a driver doing 50 through the 30mph-limit lanes is lethal, whereas a 7 year old walking inadvertantly into something slower isn't. Avoidable road accidents, where driver negligence is involved, are a crime.
I stand by what I said - use whatever means available to stop the bu**ers from posing a threat to me and mine, and I'll cheerfully pay the tax bills. I'd rather stump-up for the use of the Police heli as a pre-emptive measure than have to rely on the charity-funded Air Ambulance to pick my lad up afterwards, OK?
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too to show no hard feelings - just strong ones.
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This thread seems to have wandered off into the bushes somehow... but harking back to the original premise, I wondered if anyone agreed with any of the following...
The taxpayer bankrolls about 800 helicopters in the UK, many of which are useless for anything but shoot-em-ups, but this fact makes it difficult to argue that the tiny number which are engaged in saving life are "not worth public money."
Would it be possible to set the military to work in the public service? (When they're not out killing all the cows that is). They have machines aplenty to do such work, and much of it would constitute excellent training... medivac work in the middle of London, perhaps, and if they wanted verisimilitude we could always hire someone to shoot at them while they were at it.
The taxpayer bankrolls about 800 helicopters in the UK, many of which are useless for anything but shoot-em-ups, but this fact makes it difficult to argue that the tiny number which are engaged in saving life are "not worth public money."
Would it be possible to set the military to work in the public service? (When they're not out killing all the cows that is). They have machines aplenty to do such work, and much of it would constitute excellent training... medivac work in the middle of London, perhaps, and if they wanted verisimilitude we could always hire someone to shoot at them while they were at it.
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T'aint Natural,
The AAC used to help with environmental work in the Snowdonia national park. They used to ferry large amounts of stone, used for repairing footpaths, as underslung loads. This was good training for the crews and appreciated by the locals who got the paths repaired and nobody complained about the noise. Some commercial operators, however, complained that the military were stealing thier work. In the interest of fairness, it was decided that the military should charge for the service and, thanks to some short sighted bean counting in the corridors of Whitehall, priced themselves out of a superb training opportunity.
As for air ambulance work, could you actually get anyone other than military personnel to fly in a Lynx? The aircraft cannot meet any of the group 'A' or public transport requirements. No prizes for guessing what the CAA would make of the idea.
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The AAC used to help with environmental work in the Snowdonia national park. They used to ferry large amounts of stone, used for repairing footpaths, as underslung loads. This was good training for the crews and appreciated by the locals who got the paths repaired and nobody complained about the noise. Some commercial operators, however, complained that the military were stealing thier work. In the interest of fairness, it was decided that the military should charge for the service and, thanks to some short sighted bean counting in the corridors of Whitehall, priced themselves out of a superb training opportunity.
As for air ambulance work, could you actually get anyone other than military personnel to fly in a Lynx? The aircraft cannot meet any of the group 'A' or public transport requirements. No prizes for guessing what the CAA would make of the idea.
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