Airborne Camera Systems
LEO II..??
You won't get much info here, to exposed.
Try the national air support forum
(http://www.oscar99.org.uk/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi)
if you are in the trade.
Otherwise, I'm afraid you'll have to make do with the sales bumph they sell you.
Sorry.
Try the national air support forum
(http://www.oscar99.org.uk/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi)
if you are in the trade.
Otherwise, I'm afraid you'll have to make do with the sales bumph they sell you.
Sorry.
I'll see what I can find out when I'm back on shift. Wouldn't put too much faith in Oscar99 - I'm in the trade yet received a very terse snottagram when I dared to attempt to join their forum. Stick to this place - much friendlier.
Count yourself almost lucky, I got past the snottagram stage years ago, they just do not reply now! Still its nice to know it winds 'em up a little!
It clearly shows that they want to create a forum where a free and frank exchange of views might pass! Perhaps they think it is policeman that build and equip their aircraft, certainly the line of who is in and who is out is at best fuzzy! Civilian operational pilots in .... but police helicopter test pilots out?
Some folks are very narrow of the mind. Not so Ppruners [well not much anyway].
Back onto subject though ... LEO 2 .... is an out of date term except in South Africa. The equipment was renamed by FLIR Systems after the QWIP difficulties.
Are we perhaps looking at details for the SA version or a pre-used item?
It clearly shows that they want to create a forum where a free and frank exchange of views might pass! Perhaps they think it is policeman that build and equip their aircraft, certainly the line of who is in and who is out is at best fuzzy! Civilian operational pilots in .... but police helicopter test pilots out?
Some folks are very narrow of the mind. Not so Ppruners [well not much anyway].
Back onto subject though ... LEO 2 .... is an out of date term except in South Africa. The equipment was renamed by FLIR Systems after the QWIP difficulties.
Are we perhaps looking at details for the SA version or a pre-used item?
Leo-II-A5
Turret: 39kg, slew rate 60deg/sec in az(360deg) and el(+20 to -105deg), fully stabilised.
Internal "black box": 8.5kg
Laptop Controller: 1.5kg
Operating temperature: -20 to +55deg C
Supply Voltage: 22-32 Vdc
Power Consumption: 280Watts nominal, 480Watts peak
Infra Red(Triple QWIP)
Camera: Triple QWIP, 3 FOV
Spectral Band: 8 to 9µm
Detector: Focal Plane array, GaAs.
FOV: Wide: 25degx19deg. Mid: 6x4.5. Narrow: .99x.74. Switching time: .5sec.
Zoom: x2 and x4 Electronic Zoom
Polarity: White/Black hot plus multi-coloured
Cooling: Integrated Stirling Cooler, approx 4-5 minutes to cool down(there is no picture until fully cooled).
Performance:
Detection: Predicted, 15000m. Typical, 17000m
Recognition: Predicted, 7100m. Typical, 7500m
Identification: Predicted, 3600m. typical, 3800m
Focus: Auto/manual
Video Output: NTSC/PAL
Daylight Camera:
Type: Sony Exwave-HAD Interlinr Transfer CCD
SensorFormat: 1/3 inch type 3-CCD
Resolution: 800 TV lines
Active Pixels: 752x582. Total 440000
Minimum Sensitivity: 4 lux
Zoom: x54 (x27 with x2 switchable extender)
Focal Length: 9.5 to 512mm
FOV: min .67x.5 deg. max 35x29 deg
Video Output: NTSC/PAL
S to N Ratio: 58db
Optional Equipment:
Laser Rangefinder: 80-15000m
Spotter TV
Auto Tracker
Hope that's what you want. We've had ours for a year now without any problems. IR/daylight pictures are excellent broadcast quality.
Turret: 39kg, slew rate 60deg/sec in az(360deg) and el(+20 to -105deg), fully stabilised.
Internal "black box": 8.5kg
Laptop Controller: 1.5kg
Operating temperature: -20 to +55deg C
Supply Voltage: 22-32 Vdc
Power Consumption: 280Watts nominal, 480Watts peak
Infra Red(Triple QWIP)
Camera: Triple QWIP, 3 FOV
Spectral Band: 8 to 9µm
Detector: Focal Plane array, GaAs.
FOV: Wide: 25degx19deg. Mid: 6x4.5. Narrow: .99x.74. Switching time: .5sec.
Zoom: x2 and x4 Electronic Zoom
Polarity: White/Black hot plus multi-coloured
Cooling: Integrated Stirling Cooler, approx 4-5 minutes to cool down(there is no picture until fully cooled).
Performance:
Detection: Predicted, 15000m. Typical, 17000m
Recognition: Predicted, 7100m. Typical, 7500m
Identification: Predicted, 3600m. typical, 3800m
Focus: Auto/manual
Video Output: NTSC/PAL
Daylight Camera:
Type: Sony Exwave-HAD Interlinr Transfer CCD
SensorFormat: 1/3 inch type 3-CCD
Resolution: 800 TV lines
Active Pixels: 752x582. Total 440000
Minimum Sensitivity: 4 lux
Zoom: x54 (x27 with x2 switchable extender)
Focal Length: 9.5 to 512mm
FOV: min .67x.5 deg. max 35x29 deg
Video Output: NTSC/PAL
S to N Ratio: 58db
Optional Equipment:
Laser Rangefinder: 80-15000m
Spotter TV
Auto Tracker
Hope that's what you want. We've had ours for a year now without any problems. IR/daylight pictures are excellent broadcast quality.
Now that's what I call helpful..!
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Stabilised Airborne Observation System
Does anyone have any experience of these systems, particularly the LEO range. I'm just after some general comment but if you can back it up with some specifics, that would be good. Thanks.
Firstly, I have experience only of combined TV/TI systems, not of the better quality ENG style TV systems.
LEO-400:- early system but fairly reliable, go for the 3-CCD TV not the single CCD. THV-1000 TI generally reliable; laptop controller rather less ergonomic but better than those with a pistol grip type control.
LEO-2:- not much experience of this but good TV zoom [54x as opposed to 32x] and slightly better TI; good laptop controller.
Ultraforce [latest]:- good TV zoom; TI has advanced technology but is as a consequence almost too complicated. If you are using it is the police role the wide lens is a little too wide for target acquisition at heights that allow the [excellent] narrow lens to be used. Ongoing problems with TV focus and over-complexity of TI image setup.
All the systems are of the 60-70kg overall weight including pod, wiring and contol boxes. the later systems do have slightly better stabilisation but are really quite expensive. A maintenance contract with any of these is highly recommended. The cheap and cheerful smaller versions are however reflective of how much you pay.
Wescam, anecdotally is a good system but I believe here in the UK there have been problems with product support.
PM me if you want a longer discussion.
LEO-400:- early system but fairly reliable, go for the 3-CCD TV not the single CCD. THV-1000 TI generally reliable; laptop controller rather less ergonomic but better than those with a pistol grip type control.
LEO-2:- not much experience of this but good TV zoom [54x as opposed to 32x] and slightly better TI; good laptop controller.
Ultraforce [latest]:- good TV zoom; TI has advanced technology but is as a consequence almost too complicated. If you are using it is the police role the wide lens is a little too wide for target acquisition at heights that allow the [excellent] narrow lens to be used. Ongoing problems with TV focus and over-complexity of TI image setup.
All the systems are of the 60-70kg overall weight including pod, wiring and contol boxes. the later systems do have slightly better stabilisation but are really quite expensive. A maintenance contract with any of these is highly recommended. The cheap and cheerful smaller versions are however reflective of how much you pay.
Wescam, anecdotally is a good system but I believe here in the UK there have been problems with product support.
PM me if you want a longer discussion.
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sir: if you could be more specific on your requirements such as
1) mission profile
2) aircraft type
3) budget
we manufacture mounts for various helicopters for all the leading IR manufacturers systems, flir, taman, wescam, polytech etc and maybe able to shed some light on your questions
dr
1) mission profile
2) aircraft type
3) budget
we manufacture mounts for various helicopters for all the leading IR manufacturers systems, flir, taman, wescam, polytech etc and maybe able to shed some light on your questions
dr
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FLIR for RAF SAR Sea Kings
Been reading about the new multi sensor search system going on the Crab version of the SAR Sea King (FLIR and a new RADAR). Why didn't the MOD buy some similar kit for the RN SAR Boys?
Would I be right in thinking that the RN have wasted all their cash on Merlin?
Sorry RN, bit provocative. But don't we have some joined-up ideas about common procurement across the military? Surely it must be more cost effective to find a common solution rather than buy different kit for the RN.
Would I be right in thinking that the RN have wasted all their cash on Merlin?
Sorry RN, bit provocative. But don't we have some joined-up ideas about common procurement across the military? Surely it must be more cost effective to find a common solution rather than buy different kit for the RN.
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As far as I understand, the RN SAR Cabs are looking at joining 3 Gp and trying to amalgamate with the RAF SAR cabs, but as always these things take time.
I believe that Gannet have finally got NVG only a large number of years after the RAF were using them.
The joined up thing is on the way, but the wheel turns very slowly.
Heard a rumour that the new radar display and CDNU/RNAV link could be termed a pile of poo. Any news from SAR operators?
I believe that Gannet have finally got NVG only a large number of years after the RAF were using them.
The joined up thing is on the way, but the wheel turns very slowly.
Heard a rumour that the new radar display and CDNU/RNAV link could be termed a pile of poo. Any news from SAR operators?
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Seems crazy that the RAF are only now getting FLIR when the police and civvy SAR cabs have been using it for ages.
Is the new radar bit of it forward looking? Always struck me that having the radome on the Sea King aft of the gear box was strange. Still, it seems to have served it purpose all this time.
Is the new radar bit of it forward looking? Always struck me that having the radome on the Sea King aft of the gear box was strange. Still, it seems to have served it purpose all this time.
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Stabalised Camera Systems
Anyone able to give advice as to where to look for a good stabalised camera system, to be fitted to a Schweizer 300. Mainly required for News Gathering. I've found details on the web regarding the Eagle Vision 11, looks like what I need, anyone any expirience with it?
Also keen on the Cineflex V12-21X-SD, but still waiting on their pricing, suspect out of reach for my intended use.
Also keen on the Cineflex V12-21X-SD, but still waiting on their pricing, suspect out of reach for my intended use.