Bell 212

[helmet fire]

SASless,
You are right, but if you have a -3B fitted 212 and you get rid of the load, your body weight (if you have optimised it for lifting) will be at it's minimum, and whilst it may not give you a 200ft hover OEI, at 6000ft 90F, it is still pretty good at most reasonable DAs, especially if you can move it to a IGE situation, and it ALWAYS gives you a bit of cushion at the bottom that I wouldn't ever swap the A1's extra 100kg for.

You cannot leave it at that Buitenzorg: spill the beans.......

[B Sousa]

Yes Buitenzorg, you opened the container, lets hear your confession................On PPrune you can expect nothing but sympathy....ha ha

[offshoreigor]

Hi All,

Having flown both types, I prefer the "Non Torque Limited" BH05!

Nothing worse than climing into a 3B 212 with the torque limiter set to droop at 99%! Believe me, it happens.

Cheers, OffshoreIgor

[407 Driver]

So what are you saying? Do you WANT to overtorque, or are your engineers just not able to adjust the Q limiter?

I can't enter the conversation, as I have no 205 time, but I certainly like the thought of those 2 -3B's purring away behind me, and having some small chance of flying away in an engine failure situation, given favorable temps, alt's, loads, and airspeed.

[L'WAAPAM]

212 Type Rating

Hi All

I'm after some advice. Im a UK military pilot just about to leave and am jumping through the (many) JAA hoops to get my licence.

Im currently flying 212's which are civilian owned and military operated.

Current CAA/Mod agreements state that to get a miliary type rating endorsed on the licence you have to have 500hrs on type AND a current check ride in the last 12 months.

I currently have 420hrs on 212's and it looks like I will not be able to get a type rating unless I go and do a civllian type rating course. Lots of money me thinks!!!.

I did my initial conversion with a Bristows instructor(they suppy the contract) but my final check ride on the conversion was with a non CAA military QHI.

Has anyone one been in this situation before or knows a way round it?

Thanks.

[SilsoeSid]

I had a similar situation a couple of years ago. 2700 hrs gazelle, no check ride/currency, 485hrs Lynx current. Unfortunately, as you pointed out;

"Current CAA/Mod agreements state that to get a miliary type rating endorsed on the licence you have to have 500hrs on type AND a current check ride in the last 12 months."

"I currently have 420hrs on 212's ...."

The non military QHI issue isn't the problem as it would be an official 'check ride", however the hours would be.

If you have 500hrs Gazelle or Lynx, I believe you'd just need to speak to your friendly standards chap and arrange a 'check ride'.

Fortunately for me, linkup paid for my rating, perhaps that is a route if you have FRI or suchlike.
Then again, 212s = posting with lots of LOA!

ATB
SS

[Winnie]

212 Flight Manual

Hi chaps

I have a Bell 212 Manual, but I'd like the supplement that comes with it, not the FMS, but the "Technical Description" that is in the back end of the book. Does anybody know where I can get that (Most desireable in PDF or other computer based) WITHOUT having to fork out several hundreds of dollars in cash for the papercopy.

It is for personal enjoyment, NOT work related, so it does not need to be Current.

Sooo, anybody able to help please??

Cheers
Winnie

[Winnie]

And just figgured out it is called the "Manufacturers Data"

Is it available in PDF?

[ConwayB]

I bought a 412 flight manual on CD ROM from a mob in Canada on EBAY of all places. He was based in Toronto (I Think) and it was the latest revision. I gleaned from his site that he supplied manuals of various aircraft in that format.

Do a search on EBAY for flight manuals or do a google search.

Good luck

CB

[goaround7]

212 operating costs

Hi guys,

I've got the manufacturer's and 'blue book' type costs but can a couple of you give me some real world gen on operating costs for 212/412 in harsh(ish) desert environment but with hangar and daily maintenance available doing pax and equipment transfer with one to two hour flights, 100 hours a month - minimal sling, no high cycles, nothing unusual ?

Eg. real maintenance, unplanned spares, fuel, oil, blades etc.

Thanks,

G7

[BlenderPilot]

Go with Conklin and D's estimates and you will do more than well, the 412/212 has no surprises.

The desert should not pose any problem for the 212/412 its one of the most dependable aircraft this world and its surroundings have available for you to make money with it.

[goaround7]

Thanks, we got those.

Recent newsletter reckons US$ 606 per hour for 412 then ?

[Thilo]

Bell 212 Training Manual

Hi Group

I am looking for a Bell 212 training manual in electronic format.

Is there such a thing?

Thilo

[Aesir]

Yesyes, there is such a thing. I received one when I received B212 initial training at Flight Safety in Dallas last year.

However the CD is at my home 1154 NM away and besides I think it´s copyright´d. I´m sure FSI would like to sell its training course with the CD.

Sorry I can´t help.

[outhouse]

HI.
Yes I have both the 412 and the 212, however I did send a CD copy to a chap in Australia but never herd if he received it!??. I am travelling at the moment and away from base, however if you send details I may be able to help in about three weeks. I am happy to help you chaps but get a little p**t off sometimes with the non response after my responding to calls for help.
outhouse

[Skitso]

hi there thilo

hows it going thilo...mate im the aussie fella that recieved a copy from outie...and im willing to dispatch a copy to you if your still interested seeming that outie is a bit busy for a few weeks, I would be more than honored to do that for outie......crawl crawl...lol...

But i must say there some great guys out here on the prune that like helping others out, ie: Outie....should be more of em.....

[outhouse]

Hi Skitso,
Thanks mate and sorry, Rather a duff week no offence inferred. It’s great if one can help out you chaps and this web is an ideal way of doing that and keeping in with what going on in the industry. I only wish that it had been available when I was starting off, back in those days the internet was unknown and even a intercontinental call was a major drama. Thanks for the PM and I will be replying soonest.
Outhouse.

[CAT MAN]

Any Bell 212 Operators In The Uk

Does anyone know if there are any UK based Bell 212 helis in service?

[Rotorbike]

None in service.

But Bristows do have some on the UK Register.

No 412's either.

[SASless]

Noisy things, 212's. Is there not one at Shrewsbury as a trainer for the MOD program that uses them in Belize?